Victoria Derbyshire

[Fronteria]

Trying to get airgun law changed.
On New 24 now.

[gingernut]

Doubt many watch her.

[MartynB]

Changed in what respect ?

[peterd8877]

Not for the better I presume.

[Fronteria]

The mother of a child who was killed was on the Victoria Derbyshire show to get support for her case named Stanley’s law for licencing airguns and training of licence holders.
This is the incident in which the child was killed.
Albert Grannon, 78, was charged with manslaughter at Sheffield crown court. He initially told police the pellet must have ricocheted as he checked the air rifle, Albert Grannon admitted to manslaughter and possessing an adapted air rifle without a firearms certificate. at his home in Sproatley, east Yorkshire, last year.
Tragic but no law can cater for idiots doing dangerous things with anything, regardless of whether it’s an air rifle a car or anything else that can cause harm.

[Neil54]

Driving licences don't stop car accidents.
Why would anyone think licencing airguns would stop them.
Banning hand guns hasn't stopped hand gun offences.
It is always the minority that couldn't give a hoot.

[ElmerFudd.177]

This was the built in a shed airgun i think...

Elmer

[bighit]

This was the built in a shed airgun i think...

Elmer

Nope . That was the Ben Wragge case. The case this thread is about is the one where the grandfather bought a stoeger xs20 that had been made FAC and was unlicensed.

[angrybear]

Trying to get airgun law changed.
On New 24 now.

Most of these programs have a contact on (un)social media, if you happen across an anti shooting feature you need to respond to them pointing out that laws already exist,
And while any incident is a tragedy, new laws will have no effect when the existing laws are being ignored.

[Snooper601]

Trying to get airgun law changed.
On New 24 now.

The VD show.... as in Venereal Disease...

[micky2]

Yes there was also a big write up about it in the Sun newspaper last Saturday.

[niloc]

Yes there was also a big write up about it in the Sun newspaper last Saturday.

Is that not an oxymoron?

[wobbly bob]

Most of these programs have a contact on (un)social media, if you happen across an anti shooting feature you need to respond to them pointing out that laws already exist,
And while any incident is a tragedy, new laws will have no effect when the existing laws are being ignored.

Absolutely. I’m sure that we are all very much saddened by the incident, but the rifle that killed the little lad was at 16 ft.lb and required a licence, and the perpetrator, the boy’s great grandfather, was fully aware of the fact, but chose to ignore that, and every other aspect of gun safety.

But whilst I agree that it will probably make little difference in practice, I find it difficult to make out a case against training and licensing.

[TonyL]

The poor little lad's mum was on the local (Look North) breakfast news programme this morning. And I can understand her reaction but, like so many more thousands of people out there, will not have a grasp of how licensing or tightening laws any further will have changed anything.

As said previously, just about every law going relating to use, ownership and storage and safe handling advice were ignored.

I was talking to one of my customers about this earlier. A retired Chief Super-Intendant from the area concerned, Humberside Police. He was telling me that the great grand-father wasn't sure if it was loaded or not, so instead of any sensible checks, decided to aim it at the youngster and pull the trigger? Someone else had also mentioned that the man had dementia issues? Why didn't the family do anything about that?

My customer also fully agrees with the view that tightening laws any further or licensing airguns would serve only to punish the law abiding. After all, crims will break the law anyway, no matter how harsh or soft it may be.

Apparently the mum is trying to get a big petition together and plans to lobby Parlaiment. We need to have our house and voice in order ready for the ensuing onslaught. Hopefully plans are underfoot and ongoing already?

[wobbly bob]

He was telling me that the great grand-father wasn't sure if it was loaded or not, so instead of any sensible checks, decided to aim it at the youngster and pull the trigger?

All reports state that the family were well aware that he always kept it cocked and loaded and not secured. He shot the boy at a family gathering to commemorate the death of his own son.

He has steadfastly refused to explain what happened - even given a last opportunity at his trial.

Something pretty weird has gone on there. i feel we are not getting the full picture.