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    The Baikal Makarov Thread

    After a few years going without after selling my 2002 dated MP-654K, I have become a born again Makarovnik and probably appreciate the design far more today than I did 20 years ago! Trouble is they keep multiplying as can be seen here

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/RfjTkwLjSJ2Xf3KXA

    I've probably amassed enough information on variations, use and modifications to produce a small book and am currently trying to put together a photo library of all major variations. This begs the question of whether the Makarov was produced during each year of its 22 year old life to date and I wonder if owners reading this can help out with a little research?

    Does anyone on this forum own a T prefixed Makarov with one of the following dates:

    T01
    T03

    As to the future; well my little ensemble is not yet complete, as I am still looking for a 98 prefixed model, a T12/13 with 17 slide serrations and a blued rather than part parkerised slide. Also, I would not mind a T18 with the bulky offset faux silencer if anyone has one surplus to requirements.

    Dasvidanya.

    John M
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josie & John View Post
    ...I've probably amassed enough information on variations, use and modifications to produce a small book and am currently trying to put together a photo library of all major variations....
    The Makarov lineage has always been bewidering to me, can't keep up with it all - a book may be handy!
    Good deals with these members

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    That's some collection.

    Yes the prefix in serial numbers increases year on year. I've seen a T19 in a Russian video on youtube which appears to be the latest version and looks to be based upon the Gen 5 with the thinner frame and thicker slide.


    I've had 3 maks (in total and at one time). Two of them Gen 5's of which one I had reblued by a guy named Collin (slide AND frame) which made it look superb and a complete one off unique piece. Also had and absolutely treasured a T99 model (photos in link below if interested). I regrettably sold them all in the last 5 years with the T99 being the last to go to a lucky forumer on the umarex forum almost 2 years ago.

    I am currently looking to own one of these again so if you ever feel you have too many of them and want to part with the Gen 5 let me know

    I've never seen that marking on one of your maks (right centre), what is it?


    https://imgur.com/a/ppahEvx#hn1W6FO

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    Quote Originally Posted by dumpit View Post
    That's some collection.

    Yes the prefix in serial numbers increases year on year. I've seen a T19 in a Russian video on youtube which appears to be the latest version and looks to be based upon the Gen 5 with the thinner frame and thicker slide.


    I've had 3 maks (in total and at one time). Two of them Gen 5's of which one I had reblued by a guy named Collin (slide AND frame) which made it look superb and a complete one off unique piece. Also had and absolutely treasured a T99 model (photos in link below if interested). I regrettably sold them all in the last 5 years with the T99 being the last to go to a lucky forumer on the umarex forum almost 2 years ago.

    I am currently looking to own one of these again so if you ever feel you have too many of them and want to part with the Gen 5 let me know

    I've never seen that marking on one of your maks (right centre), what is it?


    https://imgur.com/a/ppahEvx#hn1W6FO
    That 99 looks like it was part of a very nice set and probably fairly difficult to replace today.

    Yes, the latest T19 Maks are based on the narrower PM frame and have markings stamped under the muzzle rather than along the slide (other than serial number). The Mak at bottom right is an example.

    The marking you asked about is the badge of the notorious KGB. A 'Limited Edition' with the KGB badge was produced in 2017 with a choice of either a blued or plated finish.

    Sorry, I'm not looking to part with any just yet.

    Kind regards,

    John

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    I sold mine as I wasn't really using it. Was it to you on Freeads sold with brown East German holster?
    Anyway, I wish I lived somewhere where I could have a couple of real ones. Mon ami Yves has a couple he keeps in CR and they are great to shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrysmith View Post
    I sold mine as I wasn't really using it. Was it to you on Freeads sold with brown East German holster?
    Anyway, I wish I lived somewhere where I could have a couple of real ones. Mon ami Yves has a couple he keeps in CR and they are great to shoot.
    No not me Harry- I obtained the East German holster in the pic from Germany.

    It took me a couple of years after selling my 2002 Mak to realise I needed one again and I haven't looked back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josie & John View Post
    That 99 looks like it was part of a very nice set and probably fairly difficult to replace today.

    Yes, the latest T19 Maks are based on the narrower PM frame and have markings stamped under the muzzle rather than along the slide (other than serial number). The Mak at bottom right is an example.

    The marking you asked about is the badge of the notorious KGB. A 'Limited Edition' with the KGB badge was produced in 2017 with a choice of either a blued or plated finish.

    Sorry, I'm not looking to part with any just yet.

    Kind regards,

    John
    A KGB version who would have thunk it! Would love to see some close ups of it.

    I particularly like the bottom T19 and the Nickel one. I have a PM incoming for you if you don't mind (not offering to buy so don't worry )

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    Quote Originally Posted by dumpit View Post
    A KGB version who would have thunk it! Would love to see some close ups of it.

    I particularly like the bottom T19 and the Nickel one. I have a PM incoming for you if you don't mind (not offering to buy so don't worry )
    I've added a few more images including some close ups of the pistols you asked about.

    In one of them, the T19 is fitted with a genuine pair of Baikal grips intended for the .380 calibre Makarov. They fit fine but the magazine will not fully engage with the grips fitted so some fitting looks to be on the cards at some point.

    Kind regards,

    John

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