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    Venom Mk1 TX200

    I've been looking into history / general info on on Venom TX200?
    I bought my mk1 TX .177" as a Venom rifle (in a walnut stock of the same design as the vantage but no paperwork or even the infamous sticker) in about 2008 from Gary Powell and have no reason to doubt him, I used the rifle pretty much as bought for some 'club' comps and pest controll then sorta stopped shootin
    the rifle looks like

    please excuse the MPR - I'd been rattin with both rifles a few weeks ago & fancied a photo

    and has a HW type piston-seal on a brass adapter (on a steel piston) running the Mk1's shorter stroke

    and when bought came with an adjustable trigger setup (looked home-made so was sold quickly) but had a set-back brass trigger blade so that was fitted (much nicer to shoot )



    this thread is prompted by finding an advert in November 1996 AGW (while reading about another old rifle I had owned)

    and through some digging I'm looking for a copy of Air Gunner August 1991 as there may be an article or advert refering to Venom MK1 TX200

    anyone have a copy of that mag or info on Venom's work with early TX's?


    my TX is not for sale, I'm not after a valuation & it's just random intrest & posting for the sake of it

    Rich.
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    Venom TX Vantage

    Have an article somewhere on the Venom TX Vantage. I will do my best to find it out. That is only the second Vantage TX I have seen and would have been done at the gun barrel works in cradley heath. Tune wise - As the TX runs on a lazaglide sort of system Venom would have replaced, Spring, Guide, Top hat and fitted a green piston seal and fitted a Venom Executive Silencer but depending on customers budget.The advert is when they moved to Mucklow Hill and Venomac. They did the TX200 in the Ranger model, short barrel with a shroud which AA copied and called it the TX200HC. Sorry to say but looking at the pics it doesnt seem to be a Venom piston seal on the internals, but i could be wrong!!! and of course over a period of time parts do wear and need replacing. Mach 1.5
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    I can't see enough of the piston, however it doesn't look like it's a standard TX piston with a HW conversion to me so, I would guess it's maybe a Venom piston & had the seal changed at some point from the green Venom HW fitting seal.

    There is someone on here that owns a TX tuned by Venom, I shot it a few years back at the Springer Bash, I can't remember for the life of me who it was. I'm pretty sure the piston had been lightened & was black part of the tune & according to the owner.

    I just love those Vantage stocks!

    ATB

    Dave
    IF IT'S NOT BROKE.........DON'T FIX IT!

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    Had my TX venom laza'd ed back in the day.. They make a new piston with an alli body, to reduce the weight. This makes sense at mk1/2 strokes, but it too light for mk3 strokes. It also needs a stiff spring, so cocking effort gets firm.

    Lightening was a good idea - but they went too far. Needs to come down to around 190-200g, not 160 or whatever it was.

    On mine, the seal was venom with std AA fitment, not HW conversion, soas said above, that doesn't look venom. However, it is probably an improvement.

    HTH - JB
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    as to internals, who knows I know it shoots spot-on and 780fps with 8.4gr Exacts so whoever did the piston / seal adapter it works nicely

    as to the seal, I replaced it soon after purchase with one from a local shop (maybe should have mentioned this?) and had to re-size it slightly, if memory serves it may have been a HW55 replacement?
    I cannot remember what happened to the one I removed OR its colour

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach 1.5 View Post
    Have an article somewhere on the Venom TX Vantage. I will do my best to find it out.
    If you could find it it'd be appreciated

    Rich.
    Rich. https://i.imgur.com/6sXOoGi.jpg my MPR's & mk1 TX200
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    Hello to All,

    I bought my full Lazaglide TX200 direct from Webley Venom in 2004.

    The piston was aluminium, and had the standard Air Arms seal fitted.

    ( this was from the last run of Venom TX pistons they made before going under )

    Have fun

    Best regards

    Russ

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    Tx200

    Alloy piston. That's right. That tune was called the ultraglide. Mach 1.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach 1.5 View Post
    Alloy piston. That's right. That tune was called the ultraglide. Mach 1.5
    yup
    Always looking for any cheap, interesting, knackered "project" guns. Thanks, JB.

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    Years ago I took my mk1 .22 TX to venom (when they were based in Birmingham) for a tune, silencer and sling fitted

    It returned and was put away as I didn’t have time to shoot it. Years later having moved into a shoe box sized house, my parents brought it over. I again put it away until some years later I moved to a house with a decent sized garden. Having stripped the gun to check it was ok, it has a aluminium piston, stiff spring and delrin tophat and venom silencer. It also has the round 2 cobras sticker. I still have all the bits and pieces that came with that gun accept the 2 tins of lazadome pellets I was given.

    Later when I started bell target, I bought our captains old TX again a venom tuned gun, or one fitted with a very worn round sticker of 2 cobras, when the power suddenly dropped we stripped it down to reveal the same aluminium internals and a broken stiff spring, this one doesn’t have a silencer fitted. The captain found the paperwork for it when he moved house, so I now have that.

    I bought a 3rd Mk1 .22 TX, that happened to have a very worn venom sticker on it (italic venom, no snakes) Stripping the gun on finding it was on the naughty side of the law. I found a steel piston, delrin top hat an ox spring and 13 washers. But curiously the trigger isn’t riveted together though like the others, it has Allen headed bolts holding it together.

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    Venom TX200

    Only very early TX200's have the Allen head bolts holding the trigger together. Sounds like someone went power crazy and fitted an ox spring and over did the power washers also?

    Below is a time line on Venom Custom Rifles.

    Venom Conversions. Trapshot . Lye.1981 - 1984 - HW80 Hunter, Sporter, Varminter. HW35 Super Venom Conversion.
    Tune sticker - Venom old English font.

    Venom Arms Company. Gun Barrel works. Halesowen. 24/03/1984 - 1995 - Venom 77/80 Varminter, Webley Victor Junior competition, Bavaria BSF 55, Original Custom Hunter 45, Venomega Hunter, Omega Varminter, 77/80 Vantage,Venom custom 85, 77 Trophy, 52 Trophy, 52 Lazer custom,Venom Mach 1, Venom Lazer 77, Bullpup daystate / Sharp Innova, Webley Eclipse Trophy, 77 FTX, Shamal Trophy, VenomMach 2, Daystate Trophy, Venom Viper Innova, 77 Hunter Magnum, HW85 Sidewinder, Venom TDR Excel, Venom Snipe, 95 Black Shadow, TX200 SR Trophy, Venom Scout.
    Tune Sticker. Venom old English font & lazaglide in old English font.

    Venomac Sports. Mucklow Hill. Halesowen. /12/1995 - 1998 - TX200 Ranger, 77 Mamba, Excel nighthawk, HW80 Lazahunter, 97 / 95 Lazahunter, Maglaza Hunter 80/97, 80 bull barrel hunter, 95 custom varminter, Venomac Phantom (Daystate MK2)
    Tune sticker. Venomac old English font & lazaglide sticker.

    Webley Venom Custom Shop. Frankly. 1998 - 23/12/2005 - HW80 Hunter, 77/97 Hunter, 95 Sporter, 95 Hornet - 20 cal only, Prosport black magic, Vulcanised vantage, Axsor SK hunter, Viper, Viper V8, Super Viper, Tomahawk - Sidewinder, Varminter, Cobra, Xocet Varminter, FX2000 Varminter, Longbow - Sidewinder Compact.
    Tune sticker. Twin Cobra's

    V-Mach Custom Rifles Ltd. /02/2006 - Current.
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    [QUOTE=Mach 1.5;7887038]Only very early TX200's have the Allen head bolts holding the trigger together. Sounds like someone went power crazy and fitted an ox spring and over did the power washers also?

    Yes, if I remember It was doing around 13.5 I removed the piston and a few washers fell out, put it back together and the power went up. Stripped it again and gave the piston a good shake, and it was like hitting the jackpot in the penny arcade, a payout of washers onto the table, the piston seal had an imprint of the transfer port, the gun only just latched when cocking with all those washers.


    Webley Venom Custom Shop. Frankly. 1998 - 23/12/2005
    I must have taken my original TX to them towards the end of their time there.

    Do we know what tunes they did to the TX? If the the aluminium piston was the ultraglide, did others use the original piston?

    Many thanks,

    Lee

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    Venom TX200

    They only did two types of tune. Stage 1 tune. New Spring, Spring Guide, Top Hat, Seal. Ultraglide Tune as Stage 1 but with custom piston etc. Mach 1.5

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    Thankyou for the thoughts & info, very interesting.

    Rich.
    Rich. https://i.imgur.com/6sXOoGi.jpg my MPR's & mk1 TX200
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    Quote Originally Posted by wonky donky View Post

    There is someone on here that owns a TX tuned by Venom, I shot it a few years back at the Springer Bash, I can't remember for the life of me who it was. I'm pretty sure the piston had been lightened & was black part of the tune & according to the owner.

    I just love those Vantage stocks!

    ATB

    Dave

    Sorry I'm late to the thread, Dave.

    The owner of the Venom tuned TX at the Boinger bash was BBS member, Snooper601/John, who's gun sported a left handed thumb hole stock, John won a Big FT event with this gun some time ago, it's also the first gun I ever hit the Quigley bucket with.
    The Venom piston in this gun was running at MK1/MK2 stroke and had an alloy body, the total weight of the piston including bearings and seals was 180 gram.

    There was another Venom tuned TX at another bash owned by Slinger69 which he'd just bought from AirArms David but we never opened that one up to take any measurements --- sorry.





    All the best Mick

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    Quote Originally Posted by T 20 View Post
    Sorry I'm late to the thread, Dave.

    The owner of the Venom tuned TX at the Boinger bash was BBS member, Snooper601/John, who's gun sported a left handed thumb hole stock, John won a Big FT event with this gun some time ago, it's also the first gun I ever hit the Quigley bucket with.
    The Venom piston in this gun was running at MK1/MK2 stroke and had an alloy body, the total weight of the piston including bearings and seals was 180 gram.

    There was another Venom tuned TX at another bash owned by Slinger69 which he'd just bought from AirArms David but we never opened that one up to take any measurements --- sorry.





    All the best Mick
    I think Richard (Rikard) had a Venom Tx200 at one of the bashes,I had a couple of shots with it.
    Les..

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