Is there anything more realistic than Baikal makarov ?

[dwhite100]

Can’t decide between Baikal mak, and umarex gen 4 g17. Any advice ? Just want a nice replica mainly

[Josie & John]

Can’t decide between Baikal mak, and umarex gen 4 g17. Any advice ? Just want a nice replica mainly

If you're looking for realism, the Baikal Makarov is at the top of the tree.

I like the G17 Gen 4 too as it too is very realistic but it is not made from the same firearms grade parts the Mak is made from. Yes it's a blowback and the Mak isn't but I find that Maks tend to shoot to point of aim or near offer, whereas the G17 requires several inches of aim off.

I'm a Glock fan too and prefer the pellet firing Gen 3 over the other Glocks for range use, once the trigger has worn in a bit (and they do).

John

[gingernut]

I used my Gen 3 and Gen 4 recently.

Both bb

The Gen 3 is the better shooter both power and accuracy

Which was my first impression on separate shooting.

The Gen 4 is the better Replica tho?

[Modski66]

I think there are at least two definitions of realistic for existing replicas; does it look and feel realistic - eg Baikal Makarov, or does it look and operate in a realistic way - blow-back, lock-back on last shot etc, but lacks the realistic feel because of the materials it is made of.

If there ever was something that combined both, it would probably be too expensive for the mainstream consumer - or wouldn't fire pellets!

[AC all day]

I am very fortunate in a few ways to still be shooting my Brococks. These are as close to the genuine article as you could get, made by Weihrauch/ Arminius and Uberti. Yes my cartridges are all sorted and I have good reliability with them..... personally I don't think they can be beaten

[Josie & John]

I think there are at least two definitions of realistic for existing replicas; does it look and feel realistic - eg Baikal Makarov, or does it look and operate in a realistic way - blow-back, lock-back on last shot etc, but lacks the realistic feel because of the materials it is made of.

If there ever was something that combined both, it would probably be too expensive for the mainstream consumer - or wouldn't fire pellets!

I think you are spot on with your definitions.

The trouble is the answer may be to buy both systems!

John

[Josie & John]

I am very fortunate in a few ways to still be shooting my Brococks. These are as close to the genuine article as you could get, made by Weihrauch/ Arminius and Uberti. Yes my cartridges are all sorted and I have good reliability with them..... personally I don't think they can be beaten

I wish I could agree as the air cartridge system resulted in some incredibly realistic airguns.

I owned two back in the day; a Brocock Specialist and Uberti Cattleman. I bought the Brocock for competition use and whilst accuracy was OK, consistency was not. You just never knew if a cartridge was going to discharge when you pulled the trigger and that played havoc with my confidence, as I am sure you can imagine. The Uberti, with its case hardened finish was as much a work of art as an air pistol. Trouble was its accuracy was non existent and the cartridges seemed even more unreliable than the Specialist's, although I think they were both the same.

It's still a crying shame the airgunning public were conned out of buying these classics though.

Kind regards,

John

[Twoplusfour1]

Springfield armouries XDM is (in my opinion) the most realistic pistol. Watch the videos on YouTube, it makes the glock look like a toy.

[SkullSeeker]

I think there are at least two definitions of realistic for existing replicas; does it look and feel realistic - eg Baikal Makarov, or does it look and operate in a realistic way - blow-back, lock-back on last shot etc, but lacks the realistic feel because of the materials it is made of.

If there ever was something that combined both, it would probably be too expensive for the mainstream consumer - or wouldn't fire pellets!

I agree with Mark, but think that realism when it comes to CO2 handguns falls into two slightly different categories; Firstly the revolvers - all metal, shell loading, fully functioning replicas and secondly, the autos - all metal (& polymer on newer replicas), full size mags, fully functioning (blow back, lock back on last shot etc.). Anything outside of these qualities is not an actual CO2 replica, more like a facsimile of the actual gun, it looks like the actual gun but unfortunately it does not function like the real gun so is not a replica by definition (function & form).

The only trouble with having real steel versions would be immediate Govt. clamp down and outlawing of them overnight as they would be too easy to convert to a real powder burning firearm (that's not my thoughts but that would be theirs, guaranteed), the knee jerk reaction in the media would bring unwarranted and undeserved attention to all us CO2 handgun owners. Next thing we know, we will all need to apply for a FAC and only be allowed to own just a handful of them rather than the substantially large collections that most of us already have in our possession. If you remember the Govt. compensation payments for handgun owners you'd be only too familiar with the pittance they would probably give us for handing in our 'prized' collection pieces. So, I'm happy the way things are at the moment, things are generally moving in the right direction when it comes to CO2 handguns, what with using CO2 handguns stateside being used for a safer alternative to firearms training, which has seen a recent increase in the CO2 replica autos with their full sized drop out mags, blowback & lock back on last shot operation and what with the increasing popularity of the airsoft gaming industry, we are set to see some more growth in the CO2 handgun world as a result.

[AC all day]

I wish I could agree as the air cartridge system resulted in some incredibly realistic airguns.

I owned two back in the day; a Brocock Specialist and Uberti Cattleman. I bought the Brocock for competition use and whilst accuracy was OK, consistency was not. You just never knew if a cartridge was going to discharge when you pulled the trigger and that played havoc with my confidence, as I am sure you can imagine. The Uberti, with its case hardened finish was as much a work of art as an air pistol. Trouble was its accuracy was non existent and the cartridges seemed even more unreliable than the Specialist's, although I think they were both the same.

It's still a crying shame the airgunning public were conned out of buying these classics though.

Kind regards,

John

Hi John,
Unfortunately Brocock users usually fell within two camps, those who seldom used them and those who hated their reliability and then seldom used them....I collected and used mine, I was also a founding member of a club with the biggest collection of users in the south east. As such we had every possible problem thrown our way, accuracy and reliability go hand in hand and there are many ways to deal with this. I actually shot my Orion6 Target special competitively which used to turn heads a bit!! but could also put single hole groups together when I tried. The ME range weren't as good due to barrel quality, but the Uberti , Armi San Marco and Pietta guns all had good capabilities. I still have a few 'nice' pieces and shoot mine frequency (all on ticket)Inc my O/U express rifle!

[tinbum]

I wish I could agree as the air cartridge system resulted in some incredibly realistic airguns.

I owned two back in the day; a Brocock Specialist and Uberti Cattleman. I bought the Brocock for competition use and whilst accuracy was OK, consistency was not. You just never knew if a cartridge was going to discharge when you pulled the trigger and that played havoc with my confidence, as I am sure you can imagine. The Uberti, with its case hardened finish was as much a work of art as an air pistol. Trouble was its accuracy was non existent and the cartridges seemed even more unreliable than the Specialist's, although I think they were both the same.

It's still a crying shame the airgunning public were conned out of buying these classics though.

Kind regards,

John

I throw the charged carts into a pyrex bowl of water as I fill them, if I see any bubbles then the offending cart is emptied, a little oil put on the seal and refilled. Nine times out of ten this fixes the issue, and it is very rare I get a "dud" in use.
The Specialist is a converted copy of the HW357 Hunter, so not really a realistic copy, just a converted firearm.

As far as the OP goes, the Mak isn't realistic either, it is the real gun converted to co2. It looks and feels great but is as exciting to shoot as kissing your grandma. The Umarex Glocks are (imo) identical in looks, weight and feel and are much more entertaining to shoot. Get the BB blowback gen 4 for the best version

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