Quote Originally Posted by MrChipShoulder View Post
You are welcome to post it where you want Tac.

I've already asked on that forum about 3 months ago, it was a huge thread and the conclusion was I can't clean and it has never happened to any shooter on there.

I have read about a 1000 ways to clean a gun, and I'm not stupid, so I guess I'm doing something fundamentally wrong.
I think I maybe not drying the bore well enough?

I've even followed the original owners instructions on cleaning when we bought the pistol (we had a practical lesson), still the gun looks like this after a week. So do all my other steel guns, the Stainless ones don't

I'm going to make the bog roll cleaning rod over the weekend, we'll be shooting on Sunday so will have plenty to clean after.
I'm hoping a good dry with toilet/kitchen roll will sort the problem out.

Is there any reason why I can't bore oil with fully synithetic motor oil, 2 stroke or 4 rather than the thin type 'gun oils'?
Well, if you've tried MLF there's not a lot I can say - maybe you used a different name there? I've been there since 2005, BTW.

Anyhow, what ever else you end up doing do NOT under any circumstances use ANY petroleum or carbon-based cleaners on ANY BP firearm - NOT because it it dangerous, but because due to chemistry, the crud fouling from the natural flagration of BP will combine with the petrochemical whatever to form a nigh-on impossible to remove 'cake' - in fact, it is as alike to the black cooked-on carbon deposit in a worn-out motor car cylinder head as to be indistinguishable, and I'm sure you know how easy THAT is to remove by hand...

Leaving the bore dry is never a good idea, notwithstanding that you live in a dry house.

Back in the late 1870s. the Swiss, who know a thing or two about mechanical mechanisms, decided to totally change the way they looked after their service firearms of all kinds. They concocted a totally natural grease from lanolin and tallow, called it Waffenfett [gun grease] and used it from then on until right now as a cleaner and preservative for first of all the Model of 1879, then the 1889, then the 1900 - iow, the IG 1900, K11 and K31 rifles. The introduction of fully-automatic weapons brought about a new formulation, called, with amazing lack of imagination 'Automatenfett' [full-auto gun grease]. It is black and gloopy and designed for high-speed movement of high-temperature rifles and machine guns - NOT any kind of manually operated firearm. It also migrates up your nose, into your ears and most everywhere imaginable.

Back to good old-style waffenfett. The regime is simple, and in fact ANY modern light grease will do the same job - note that it must NOT be a petroleum-base product. After shooting, and while the gun is still warm, a patch loaded with the stuff is pushed up and down the barrel at least ten times. This cleans the bore very effectively. After that, another patch, heavily-greased, is pushed up the bore to the muzzle, where it is removed, leaving a layer of grease in the bore.

Before you shoot again, you patch it out, and when finished, start over.

My K11 was made in 1900 and my K31 in 1944. Both were in service and both were subsequently sold to their owners and used for many years thereafter. Both have totally mint bores, just like the vast majority of Swiss rifle bores are, simply because of the use of this régime of cleaning. Remember, NO petroleum-based grease!!!!

The Swiss don't even use oil, either, just application of a light greasing wherever there is contact between metal components.

I recommend you to try it - after a number of disasters like the one you've shown us, what have you got to lose?

Ask anybody here who has seen my Swiss rifles if I'm lying to you.