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    Hubertus pistol, what a weird mechanism

    Nice vid by 45flint here:

    https://youtu.be/2uN1A9-4IUQ

    Always amazes me what types of mechanisms were tried before spring pistols settled on break barrels and Webley type mechs.

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    yup.. you can see why that didn't catch on, but looks very solidly made.
    Always looking for any cheap, interesting, knackered "project" guns. Thanks, JB.

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    Very nice and well made. Lots of potential. Similar in many ways to the 19th century Bussey and that had a surprising turn of power for what it was. It would be good to see a modern equivalent but with safety precautions

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenwayjames View Post
    Very nice and well made. Lots of potential. Similar in many ways to the 19th century Bussey and that had a surprising turn of power for what it was. It would be good to see a modern equivalent but with safety precautions
    I do wonder what's to stop the trigger being pulled and the piston hitting the half open front end of the gun, or a finger. Maybe the clearance could be tweaked so the cylinder wall itself was virtually touching the piston face as it swung up, thereby blocking it's escape route (and no chance of getting a finger in the gap).

    The real design problem though is no mechanical advantage on cocking.
    Always looking for any cheap, interesting, knackered "project" guns. Thanks, JB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shed tuner View Post
    I do wonder what's to stop the trigger being pulled and the piston hitting the half open front end of the gun, or a finger. Maybe the clearance could be tweaked so the cylinder wall itself was virtually touching the piston face as it swung up, thereby blocking it's escape route (and no chance of getting a finger in the gap).

    The real design problem though is no mechanical advantage on cocking.
    They are still quite nice to use. Very well made but not brilliantly accurate. piston washers are a sod to make and springs hard to source. Mine runs with a piece of spring I got off you. Haven't got a clue what it was out of originally but once reworked it functions. Not much use over about 6 yards though due to the low power and rudimentary sights

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    As you say Matt, a very useful explanatory video, and to paraphrase a well know saying, a video is worth 1,000 words. Despite the gun’s complicated cocking/ loading sequence, and a cocking method as crude as that of the humble Gat, they were made and sold in quite high numbers. Even more surprisingly, it was considered good enough for the Eastern Engineering Co. in the USA company to make their own copy, called the Gamester (see https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery....tol/#post-3650).

    The Hubertus has a simple and but foolproof safety system that ensures that the piston cannot be accidentally fired when the action is open. To open the action, the ring has to be slid back, and in doing this, the ring blocks any movement of the sear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccdjg View Post
    The Hubertus has a simple and but foolproof safety system that ensures that the piston cannot be accidentally fired when the action is open. To open the action, the ring has to be slid back, and in doing this, the ring blocks any movement of the sear.
    ahh, that makes sense... thanks for clarifying.
    Always looking for any cheap, interesting, knackered "project" guns. Thanks, JB.

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    What an interesting pistol,I do like that.
    Thanks for the video .
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    A very good video to watch. just to add they also did one of the same model but with a smaller spring housing which are very rare. they also game in .22 as well as common .177.

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    Need to get back at making some more videos, as said they show what is often difficult to describe. And you get a real feel for the gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45flint View Post
    Need to get back at making some more videos, as said they show what is often difficult to describe. And you get a real feel for the gun.
    I enjoyed your review of the Hubertus,please keep them coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by micky2 View Post
    A very good video to watch. just to add they also did one of the same model but with a smaller spring housing which are very rare. they also game in .22 as well as common .177.
    Hi Mickey,

    As you rightly say, there were two versions of the Hubertus with the earlier small frame variant being much harder to find than the large frame pistol.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Abasmajor View Post
    Hi Mickey,

    As you rightly say, there were two versions of the Hubertus with the earlier small frame variant being much harder to find than the large frame pistol.



    Brian
    Hi Brian, many thanks for putting the photos up of your 2 so everybody can see them, l have not seen the short version in the flesh. but l do have one in .22
    ATB
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    American Version Hubertus

    There was also an American version of the Hubertus marketed by Jonas Oglaend out of New York named the Snider. The only Snider I have seen is a boxed example in the Virginia Military Institute collection.
    https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery....art/#post-1953






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    Apparently the Hubertus was preceded by the Jungson:

    jungson

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    ..Above link posted with permission from Gareth W-B
    In British slang an anorak is a person who has a very strong interest in niche subjects.

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