Hubertus pistol, what a weird mechanism

[ccdjg]

Apparently the Hubertus was preceded by the Jungson:

jungson

I think it is quite possible that the Snider may be in fact the Jungson, rebranded and distributed by J.N. Oegland.

The early history of the Hubertus, and its transition from the Jungson to the small frame and then the large frame Hubertus is very confused and needs sorting out. Even the original patent by Fritz Jung is different from the commercially made pistols, and does not have the tip-up barrel, a ball pellet being dropped down into the breech though a hole on top of the cylinder.

[Abasmajor]

[QUOTE=Buck25;7958086]There was also an American version of the Hubertus marketed by Jonas Oglaend out of New York named the Snider. The only Snider I have seen is a boxed example in the Virginia Military Institute collection.
https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery....art/#post-1953





Brian

[WebleyWombler]

l have not seen the short version in the flesh. but l do have one in .22
ATB
Mick

Mine is 9109 and came to me without a barrel assembly. I had to make one and chose .177 as I have never seen one in .22 . I could always put one together in that calibre I suppose but the barrels are so easy to swop out, I wonder if they were ever sold as a kit with both calibres?

There are many adverts for them in 1930s periodicals alongside the Dolla and Tell II pistols but I see many more of the Tell models compared to the Hubertus.

[ccdjg]

[QUOTE=Abasmajor;7958162]

There was also an American version of the Hubertus marketed by Jonas Oglaend out of New York named the Snider. The only Snider I have seen is a boxed example in the Virginia Military Institute collection.
https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery....art/#post-1953





Brian

Brian,

Do you happen to know the date of this advert? It would be very hepful to know if the date tallied with the very early days of the Hubertus story (i.e. about 1925-27).

[Abasmajor]

[QUOTE=ccdjg;7958205]

Brian,

Do you happen to know the date of this advert? It would be very hepful to know if the date tallied with the very early days of the Hubertus story (i.e. about 1925-27).

Hello John,
Unfortunately, I can't tell you anything about the date of this particular advertisement or even remember where it originally appeared.
Brian

[cinedux]

The museum exhibiting this Snider advert puts it at 'circa 1920"
Reference 8060282
Title The Snider Air Pistol
Library Hagley Museum and Library
Copyright Hagley Museum and Library
Date c.1920
Document Type Leaflet

[Garvin]

FYI I've enhanced the brightness of the Snider box pic:

https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery....tol/#post-2956

[ccdjg]

The museum exhibiting this Snider advert puts it at 'circa 1920"
Reference 8060282
Title The Snider Air Pistol
Library Hagley Museum and Library
Copyright Hagley Museum and Library
Date c.1920
Document Type Leaflet

Interesting. At least the rough dating is consistent with the early phase of the Hubertus story, and fits the possibility that the Snider is a rebranded Jungson/ small frame Hubertus. The majority of the large frame Hubertus pistols were made in tne 1930's.

[Garvin]

FYI I've enhanced the brightness of the Snider box pic:

https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery....tol/#post-2956

Looking again at the Snider box, I see it says 'blue'. I wonder if that meant there was a nickel variation?

[Garvin]

I think it is quite possible that the Snider may be in fact the Jungson, rebranded and distributed by J.N. Oegland.

The early history of the Hubertus, and its transition from the Jungson to the small frame and then the large frame Hubertus is very confused and needs sorting out. Even the original patent by Fritz Jung is different from the commercially made pistols, and does not have the tip-up barrel, a ball pellet being dropped down into the breech though a hole on top of the cylinder.

Interesting, John. I see the ad Brian posted says the Snider fired round shot.

[Garvin]

I wonder if they were ever sold as a kit with both calibres?

This pic suggests they may have been:

[ccdjg]

The museum exhibiting this Snider advert puts it at 'circa 1920"
Reference 8060282
Title The Snider Air Pistol
Library Hagley Museum and Library
Copyright Hagley Museum and Library
Date c.1920
Document Type Leaflet

Funnily enough I have now found the Snider advert in my own archives, this time the complete page, and the date is 1928. Just one of my better senior moments .

[ptdunk]

Thanks to a very helpful forum member I now have a lovely example of a large framed Herbertus:

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It's quite a fun procedure to cock & load. 45flint's video was a useful guide, especially about seating the pellets which is essential as otherwise they sometimes end up falling back into the cylinder and getting squashed.

I had a chance to try it at the club over the weekend and It packs quite a punch for a little pistol and seems reasonably accurate. I'll investigate further.

It's dimensions and balance reminded me of the 1968 Record LP2, one of my favorite air pistols, and the shape of the trigger guard is almost identical.
I wonder if Fritz Barthelmes had a Herbertus knocking about....

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Anyway, very pleased to be able to add one to the collection.

Cheers,
Matt

[Garvin]

Thanks to a very helpful forum member I now have a lovely example of a large framed Herbertus:

Anyway, very pleased to be able to add one to the collection.

Cheers,
Matt

I thought you were done with collecting, Matt?

[ptdunk]

I thought you were done with collecting, Matt?

Well....still got a bit of pistol storage space... and this one is very interesting