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    Unknown pistol?

    Hi All,
    I have had this pistol for some time and really don't know anything concrete about it.
    Although I am pretty sure its a .22 Calibre.
    I'm hoping i have uploaded the picture below correctly this is one of my first posts so please bare with me...
    there's no makers marks or anything, it may be a hand built pistol not sure so any help would be appreciated?


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    No idea. I suspect you are right on homemade.

    If a nice moderator could move this to Collectables, or you posted this there, you might have more luck. There are some very very expert guys on there when it comes to funny old pistols.

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    It looks like a very rough copy of a french military training pistol called a MAS 50

    Scroll down for pics of the cocking lever open:

    http://www.littlegun.info/arme%20fra...%2050%20gb.htm

    Looks too basic to be a prototype.

    Probably a kids metalwork project from back in the day.

    (ccdjg’s fantastic Encyclopaedia of spring powered air pistols comes to the rescue again)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geezer View Post
    No idea. I suspect you are right on homemade.

    If a nice moderator could move this to Collectables, or you posted this there, you might have more luck. There are some very very expert guys on there when it comes to funny old pistols.
    Thank you very much for suggesting the move to collectables.

    Seems like its just a handmade shed job,
    fair play im impressed with the skills though,
    its a very heavy pistol and robustly made,
    The military training pistol which was posted looks like a king compared to this.
    I was wondering if it was a crude copy of abas major pistol,
    but ive checked through some pictures but nothing that catches my eye.

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    It does indeed have MAS50 overtones.

    How does the breech work?

    I’m pretty sure it was made in a shed. But, if so, it’s one of the better shed guns I’ve seen.

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    It is a home made pistol, and like what as been said above. it looks like someone as made a crude copy of it some time ago by the condition of it. but still interesting. l have a few home made ones, but very well engineered pistols in my collection.

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    Might be a design inspired by a Webley with a simplified cocking and loading method. I bet that it can kill a dustbin no bother. Is it smoothbore?

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    This pistol actually appeared on the forum about three years ago and it is pictured in Danny's Gallery here: https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery....guns/#post-349

    It has been cleaned up a lot since then, and now looks almost like a professional gunsmith's (very) rough prototype, particularly as there is some very nice welding evident. However, if you look at the original pictures, especially the right hand side of the gun, you quickly realise that it was almost certainly not made by a professional. For example the various screw heads you see on the left side, are fixed with random nuts on the right side, when any self-respecting gunsmith would have threaded the frame to accept the screws. The crude nut and washer at the breech for loading is also not something that a pro would never have settled for.

    Still, a very interesting gun, and I am jealous of that welding.

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    Thumbs up

    I think I tried ID'ing it for you when it was on Freeads!

    I didn't do so well though!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbaz View Post
    I think I tried ID'ing it for you when it was on Freeads!

    I didn't do so well though!!


    John

    Perhaps Ged made it, John.

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    Red face

    Quote Originally Posted by T 20 View Post
    Perhaps Ged made it, John.
    Ha ha ha!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsing-ee View Post
    Might be a design inspired by a Webley with a simplified cocking and loading method. I bet that it can kill a dustbin no bother. Is it smoothbore?

    Hi yes its a smoothbore, seems to have a bit of power behind it to be fair. Have not chrono'd in yet!


    Just seen the pictures from the archive thread
    Good spotting and good memory, i would say that's exactly the same pistol.
    so it seems to have made it on here before hahah.

    100% handmade sample, fair play the welding is supurb on it, but as mentioned the odd nut and bolt used does take away the professional touch.
    But all in i do like it as well as the look, very heavy item and a funny cocking mechanism with the arm tucking into the handle.
    I guess this item was made perhaps in the last 10 years? although it seems old and been about, but maybe that was the look it was trying to give.

    Id like to say thank you to you all for your help

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    Reminds me a bit of John's Hill pistol reproduction:

    https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery....ing/#post-3037
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Thompson View Post
    Excellent, thank you very much for the thread link.
    I'm happy now, i've got a bit of history on the item,
    Picked this up at a reasonable price a while back with a few other pistols,
    more of a curiosity purchase, nice to see a one off workable build.

    As the thread suggested after closer inspection i believe this is a 0.25 calibre pistol.

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