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    Quote Originally Posted by averageplinker View Post
    If it is so simple and a guaranteed money spinner why not have a crack at it yourself lol

    Seriously though, what you are describing will not make any/sufficient money for a manufacturer otherwise someone would be doing it.

    If this what I wanted I would get an HW customised, reblued, tuned and custom stocked to my liking/specification. To get it all done to a high standard would be well over a grand plus the cost of the base rifle.

    Ignore the reblue, get a nice enough but not special custom stock from CS Sheffield and a stage 1 or 2 tune and you could be looking at £400-450 plus the base rifle.

    And if it really must be British start with a Tommy or a longbow.

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    I said a real quality break barrel, not a tarted up HW...

    That would just be mutton dressed as lamb .

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    I reckon they could sell a TX break barrel for the same price as the TX, they would have to make it lighter though. I always thought the Theoben Evo was a nice weight and size for a Sporting break barrel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geezer View Post
    He’s right.

    AA are not making the “AA99S” that we all want.

    They have said they are not going to do that.

    And it would be a stupid move for them. The market does not exist to be viable and justify the development, tooling up, and effect on production of things that do sell like the TX family.

    If you want to introduce a genuinely new springer (rather old wine in new bottles), it needs to make 20-30 ft-lbs, preferably in .25” and even .30”, and to be as cheap as possible. Because that’s what Americans want, and they are the biggest market.

    The Turks (Hatsan) have sussed that. Maybe SIG have with the ASP.

    The Umarex LGV/LGU and “Mark 4” FWB Sport show that the Germans haven’t and still think it’s 1984 and people will pay in large numbers for a better 12-14 ft-lbs high-quality springer.
    I aggree with everything you say. You only have to look on utube to see what's really wanted in a Springer. An all new sub 12fpe luxury break barrel idea wouldn't get past the brew machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maximus View Post
    I reckon they could sell a TX break barrel for the same price as the TX, they would have to make it lighter though. I always thought the Theoben Evo was a nice weight and size for a Sporting break barrel.
    Exactly, surely there at least 80 % there using the TX format.
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    Anyone else notice they call it "Break-Barrrel"? (too many Rs)

    A slimmed down Pro-Elite with 25mm piston would get my vote (and cash).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpetier View Post
    Exactly, surely there at least 80 % there using the TX format.
    Precisely. Anything they potentially did develop wouldn't exactly be from "scratch" as it has been suggested. They have a platform that can be built on and plenty of proven components used in their other rifles which would migrate across. Oh, and they do also have a break barrel design from relatively recent history that could be dug back up.

    Designing and tooling up honestly wouldn't be that much of a big deal. It's not 1980. With multi axis CNC's the need for specialist cutting tools and fixtures is massively reduced. Air Arms are after all a subcontract machine shop, it's their bread & butter.

    However! I don't think that's the reason they're not doing it. I think the HW's do demonstrate that people will buy expensive break barrel rifles but obviously Air Arms don't see a market, and they're possibly right. I agree that as much as people on this forum may want a new Air Arms break barrel, it is not an accurate representation of demand in the wider world.

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    What's the advantage of a break barrel over say an underlever? I would have thought that the full length rigid assembly would be the better choice.
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    Why did their break barrel flop the first time ?

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    Done!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bighit View Post
    Why did their break barrel flop the first time ?
    Bit of a big brute built for the FAC Market i believe.
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    Webley Custom Patriot Clone

    If AA really are looking for idea's they wouldn't do much better than a Webley custom Patriot clone that features in another thread running atm, although sad to say, I really can't see AA's objective in doing such a non descript survey without a suggestion box.

    Copying can be a complement to the original maker and if it's British and has connotations of Webley Venom all the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maximus View Post
    Bit of a big brute built for the FAC Market i believe.
    Cheers .

    In that case they may be scared of it happening again .

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    That's a survey?

    Five questions, limited choice of replies. Get more in depth queries from Halfords/B&Q/Morrisons.
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    The Diana bore of 28mm works for UK and export markets

    We could have a nice UK short stroked version from factory with more liberal countries getting longer versions

    It’s not that hard to design a rifle for different markets

    The PE was too heavy and too expensive, all it needs is the best of a 95 and 34 as in built in heavy barrel shims, correct port size, threaded barrel or open sight options, laminate stock with cheek piece and a plain good quality synthetic option, and a 20 cal option (at no extra charge)

    That would tick the boxes for 85 percent of folk I’d think
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    Done.

    Checked Springer Break-barrel .177 & .22, shout count in multiples of 5, so I put 1.
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