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    I am friends on FB with a guy who plays with Giffards, "there built for shooting not wall hangers" again not based in the UK but once it's been re sealed there good to go and still very impressive....

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    Thanks gents!

    Quote Originally Posted by Unframed Dave View Post
    Just to add, the OP is not based in the UK.
    Yes I should have specified.

    Quote Originally Posted by AC all day View Post
    "there built for shooting not wall hangers"
    I have to say that if it was complete with pump, accessories and case I would have been more reticent to dismantle and shoot it, but as it is this example is perfect to tinker with.

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    Some progress, I gave the balanced valve a go and was able to raise firing pressure to 1100 psi.

    Video of some initial testing with this setup

    Best velocity recorded was 774 fps for 59.3 ft lbs, around 50% more than the maximum for the conventional valve.

    I was a little conservative with the diameter of the balanced portion, I was worried that if it was too close to the seat then it might have problems sealing.

    In that regard I've probably erred too much on the side of caution with 7mm, and can afford to go a little higher...

    More to follow, I will post more details of the valve once I've optimized it further.

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    awesome thread.. very interesting on the valve/lock mech too.
    Always looking for any cheap, interesting, knackered "project" guns. Thanks, JB.

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    Thanks!

    Some balanced valve development:



    Balanced valve V1 and housing compared to the improved poppet and original housing.

    Note the groove at the head of the valve to allow air to vent into the balanced portion.

    The head diameter is also reduced to 6mm from 8mm for better flow.



    Balanced valve V2 with a larger bore balanced portion to decrease the seating bias and allow operation at even higher pressure.

    Diameter is increased from 7mm to 9mm and the housing is bored out accordingly.

    Pumped it up to 1800 psi and shot it over the chrono.

    The display showed 520 feet per second but I suspect this is erroneous as the lead ball went further into the wooden backstop than previous shots. The muzzle was probably too close to the first sensor on the chrono.

    Loaded up a second shot and got an almighty whoosh, and this:



    That works out at 84.2 ft lbs

    The chamber was completely empty however, and subsequent evaluation revealed the reason:



    It turns out that allowing the valve to bottom out and a relatively weak valve spring might not be the best ideas at this end of the performance spectrum...

    I think a minor redesign will solve the issue, watch this space

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    That is really slick, a deer-hunting cane! There is also the possibility to adjust the opening / lift of the valve, maybe by a screw on the metal head to change the clearance from striker to valve.

    Don R.

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    Slightly off topic but what were these things for, back in the day? A novelty, or something else?

    If I was a Victorian gent planning to use my walking stick in self defence I think I’d probably feel safer just with a stick for bashing, (or even a swordstick, I suppose, back then) so I’m wondering if they were just cool gadgets, or were they supposed to have a serious use?

    Great thread btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by draitzer View Post
    That is really slick, a deer-hunting cane!
    You hear about these being used for poaching, however I doubt the gentleman who could afford one would indulge in such caddishness

    There is also the possibility to adjust the opening / lift of the valve, maybe by a screw on the metal head to change the clearance from striker to valve.
    Due to the translation of rotational motion with this type of lock, I'm a little hesitant to play with that as a variable as it does not seem to alter performance as predictably as one would expect with more traditional linear hammers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Cornelius
    Slightly off topic but what were these things for, back in the day? A novelty, or something else?
    While supposedly for self defense, the fact that it's a single shot muzzle loader means that it was hardly practical for this purpose.

    They were more likely purchased as a novelty, as described in this article by Tom Gaylord:

    The popular myth is that air canes were 19th century defensive weapons. Most advanced collectors believe this is untrue, because it takes a lot of work to make a muzzleloading air cane ready to fire. Perhaps, if you knew you were about to go in harm’s way, you might have time to make the weapon ready, but a derringer or even a good knife would be better. Using an air cane for self-defense would be the equivalent of holding up a liquor store with a flintlock — not the thing a thoughtful person would do. I think sword canes are much more capable defensive weapons, and people have probably extrapolated the defense role to air canes because of their similar appearance.

    Many collectors believe the principal attraction to air canes was simply their existence. They were portable science experiments one could use to amaze both family and friends.

    They were not used as walking sticks. The end of the ramrod did have a brass tip that could be put on the ground, but it was too fragile to serve as a walking support. It was more for show than for go.

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