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    Fas 6004 v 604

    I keep reading that the original mark 2 604 is the superior pistol compared to the latest 6004.
    Having owned a 604 back in the day before it got nicked, and comparing it to my current 6004 I'm just not seeing it.
    Could someone please elaborate on the differences.
    Thanks.

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    I had a 6004 two days before it broke. (the back sight). I took it back to the suppliers and got a refund.

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    Hi Ian, did did they fix the fault on later guns ?

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    I have seen a few 6004ís through pony club (low use, carefully used) with loose pins, oval pin holes that just suggest that the frame metal is just not as good, the triggers are also just not as good. So these 5-6 year old guns are already showing signs of wear whereas 40year old 604ís generally just need a £6 set of seals if not working and maybe a coat of paint if badly worn. The old 604ís definitely had more hand finishing on the internals. Where there are breakages on the 604ís itís usually the top cover where it sweeps up over the grip and that is usually as a result of being dropped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikehill View Post
    Hi Ian, did did they fix the fault on later guns ?
    I dont know. Mine was one of the early ones. I had waited weeks for them to arrive. What a disappointment.

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    Never used a 604, but had shocking experience with a 6004, poor consistency, pellet fussy, poor build quality, replaced it with a Gamo Compact which after spending about £5 on some files, wet&dry and some time to fettle trigger was everything the 6004 should have been for 1/3 of the price

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    Sorry but I believe I'm reading a lot of BS on this thread.
    Human nature I guess but it's wrong to judge in the context of a few isolated incidents.
    I bought a new Ford Focus some years ago which spent more time in the garage than it did on the road in its first six months.
    So all Ford Focus's are bad then.
    I mean that's the logic being applied here.
    As for components on earlier models being hand finished, what a crock.
    Please evidence that stupid claim.
    BS of course.
    The 6004 is made by the same company using the same parts and tooling.
    I challenge anyone here to strip a 604 and 6004, put the components side by side and illustrate the differences.
    Won't happen or course because the people spouting this ill informed nonsense are I believe just making stuff up.
    Feel free to prove me wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by candleman View Post
    Sorry but I believe I'm reading a lot of BS on this thread.
    Human nature I guess but it's wrong to judge in the context of a few isolated incidents.
    I bought a new Ford Focus some years ago which spent more time in the garage than it did on the road in its first six months.
    So all Ford Focus's are bad then.
    I mean that's the logic being applied here.
    As for components on earlier models being hand finished, what a crock.
    Please evidence that stupid claim.
    BS of course.
    The 6004 is made by the same company using the same parts and tooling.
    I challenge anyone here to strip a 604 and 6004, put the components side by side and illustrate the differences.
    Won't happen or course because the people spouting this ill informed nonsense are I believe just making stuff up.
    Feel free to prove me wrong.
    Oh dear. It appears my experiences with a single example of a 6004 has ruffled some ones feathers. Someone asked for opinions so I gave them mine. Sorry if it doesn't meet with your approval.

    Of course I cannot comment on all the examples of 6004 sold ( but see post # 4 and 6 ). What I can, and did, was comment on the one example I owned for a brief period. Of course, perhaps this was just a bad example - but then again it could also be a true example.
    Last edited by I. J.; 11-04-2021 at 07:29 PM.

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    There was a major design flaw in the 604.
    Due to the sharp angle at the upper rear of the barrel shroud it was prone to cracking due to the forces it was subjected too.




    Here you can see the slight change in the design that was done to address this.
    I'm no engineer but it looks like the less sharp more sloping angle provides more even distribution of forces.

    Last edited by andyals; 11-04-2021 at 09:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I. J. View Post
    I had a 6004 two days before it broke. (the back sight). I took it back to the suppliers and got a refund.
    Quote Originally Posted by candleman View Post
    Sorry but I believe I'm reading a lot of BS on this thread.
    Human nature I guess but it's wrong to judge in the context of a few isolated incidents.
    BS of course.
    The 6004 is made by the same company using the same parts and tooling.
    I challenge anyone here to strip a 604 and 6004, put the components side by side and illustrate the differences.
    Won't happen or course because the people spouting this ill informed nonsense are I believe just making stuff up.
    Feel free to prove me wrong.
    The example bought by I.J. was brought up to Rivington to set up on the 10 metre range.

    On adjusting the elevation, on the second occasion, the adjusting screw parted company with the pistol.

    When it was examined, the 3mm screw was tapped off line into a very soft aluminium mounting block.

    Poor design and execution; no comparison with an FAS 604 at all. (We had one of those in the club at the time to compare)

    I was there - do you have a time machine or do you just comment with no knowledge..
    Nowhere to go ........in no hurry to get there; www.rivington-riflemen.uk ----- well I suppose it is somewhere to go.... you'll be able to meet Andy (from up North) there

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikec4 View Post

    I was there - do you have a time machine or do you just comment with no knowledge..
    Yes I was there and had a lot of experience shooting the 604.
    You're telling me a fault with the rear site which is easily repairable is reason not to buy the 6004.
    Meanwhile the OP points out a far more significant design flaw in the 604 which you choose to ignore.
    Unbelievable.
    I hear these stupid old is better than new cases all the time related to all sorts of things and most of it comes from ill informed forum sages who set themselves up as experts but in fact haven't a clue what they're talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by candleman View Post
    Yes I was there and had a lot of experience shooting the 604.
    You're telling me a fault with the rear site which is easily repairable is reason not to buy the 6004.
    But it wasn't. A 3mm threaded hole taped into ally? There was no way of increasing the size of the hole because of the lock up. We have a few engineers and mechanics in the club and everyone who looked at it commented on its poor design.

    Im no expert - Ive only been shooting match pistols over 10 years - but sights on a match pistol , any make of match pistol are very important.

    'Yes I was there' ???? What? At Rivington Riflemen when this happened?

    Ive never owned a 604 so dont know about any flaws so I wont comment on that. I have owned a 6004 for a very short period and it was cr*p.
    Last edited by I. J.; 12-04-2021 at 04:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by candleman View Post
    Yes I was there [not at Rivington on the day in question you weren't] and had a lot of experience shooting the 604.
    You're telling me a fault with the rear site which is easily repairable is reason not to buy the 6004.
    Meanwhile the OP points out a far more significant design flaw in the 604 which you choose to ignore.
    Unbelievable.
    I hear these stupid old is better than new cases all the time related to all sorts of things and most of it comes from ill informed forum sages who set themselves up as experts but in fact haven't a clue what they're talking about.
    I'm sorry I touched a nerve; the fault with the 6004 was a steel 3mm screw badly aligned into a soft alloy block. It stripped the thread in the alloy and was totally u/s.

    As a skilled engineer - toolroom fitter and production machinery maintenance technician as well as an ill informed forum sage I can usually recognise a design fault.

    You can wind your neck in now; I don't argue with idiots as they tend to bring you down to their level and beat you with many years of acquired experience.
    Nowhere to go ........in no hurry to get there; www.rivington-riflemen.uk ----- well I suppose it is somewhere to go.... you'll be able to meet Andy (from up North) there

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