Fas 6004 v 604

[zooma]

Nothing has been mentioned about its overall reliability and accuracy and these are the things that interest me.

You should read the other contributors postings :-


"I had a 6004 two days before it broke. (the back sight). I took it back to the suppliers and got a refund" IJ


"I have seen a few 6004’s through pony club (low use, carefully used) with loose pins, oval pin holes that just suggest that the frame metal is just not as good, the triggers are also just not as good. So these 5-6 year old guns are already showing signs of wear whereas 40year old 604’s generally just need a £6 set of seals if not working and maybe a coat of paint if badly worn. The old 604’s definitely had more hand finishing on the internals. Where there are breakages on the 604’s it’s usually the top cover where it sweeps up over the grip and that is usually as a result of being dropped." sgibbar


"Never used a 604, but had shocking experience with a 6004, poor consistency, pellet fussy, poor build quality, replaced it with a Gamo Compact which after spending about £5 on some files, wet&dry and some time to fettle trigger was everything the 6004 should have been for 1/3 of the price" clipper.


"I had a 604 years ago, that's why I bought a 6004, it was supposed to be an updated 604. Mine went in the bin. Tiny steel screws into soft aluminium, glass rear sights etc. The final nail in the coffin was the bracket that holds the barrel in the over- lever. It kept coming loose and letting the barrel move back failing to seal against the breech seal.
Nipped it up a few times and the tiny bolts stripped. There's not enough metal to drill out and re-tap for a bigger bolt so it was a write off.
Never had a problem with the old 604." brusieboy


If you trawl back through the other 6004 threads that have been in this section previously you may find a few more comments of some interest.


Hope this helps.

[andyals]

You should read the other contributors postings :-


"I had a 6004 two days before it broke. (the back sight). I took it back to the suppliers and got a refund" IJ


"I have seen a few 6004’s through pony club (low use, carefully used) with loose pins, oval pin holes that just suggest that the frame metal is just not as good, the triggers are also just not as good. So these 5-6 year old guns are already showing signs of wear whereas 40year old 604’s generally just need a £6 set of seals if not working and maybe a coat of paint if badly worn. The old 604’s definitely had more hand finishing on the internals. Where there are breakages on the 604’s it’s usually the top cover where it sweeps up over the grip and that is usually as a result of being dropped." sgibbar


"Never used a 604, but had shocking experience with a 6004, poor consistency, pellet fussy, poor build quality, replaced it with a Gamo Compact which after spending about £5 on some files, wet&dry and some time to fettle trigger was everything the 6004 should have been for 1/3 of the price" clipper.


"I had a 604 years ago, that's why I bought a 6004, it was supposed to be an updated 604. Mine went in the bin. Tiny steel screws into soft aluminium, glass rear sights etc. The final nail in the coffin was the bracket that holds the barrel in the over- lever. It kept coming loose and letting the barrel move back failing to seal against the breech seal.
Nipped it up a few times and the tiny bolts stripped. There's not enough metal to drill out and re-tap for a bigger bolt so it was a write off.
Never had a problem with the old 604." brusieboy


If you trawl back through the other 6004 threads that have been in this section previously you may find a few more comments of some interest.


Hope this helps.

Ive searched for these accuracy and reliability issues but can't find anything.
Could you please provide some links and please don't say, I'm not going to research it for you.
I have serious doubts about what's being claimed here and would love to see actual evidence.
I was curious about the claim made by Candle man about the top strap cracking which I noticed you avoided addressing.
I researched this and found it is true and indeed FAS have redesigned this area
If something goes wrong with my rear sight at least I still have a pistol to shoot, whereas if that top strap goes I'm stuffed.
I'm reading a lot of claims here but no verification with evidence.
Hopefully you'll put that right in your next post although I somehow doubt you can
In the meantime this is interesting.

https://www./community/index.php?thr...-strap.340657/

I can't seem to get the link to work but if you go to the airgun forum and look under pistols you'll see someone posting about "dreaded top frame cracking"

[candleman]

Ive searched for these accuracy and reliability issues but can't find anything.
Could you please provide some links and please don't say, I'm not going to research it for you.
I have serious doubts about what's being claimed here and would love to see actual evidence.
I was curious about the claim made by Candle man about the top strap cracking which I noticed you avoided addressing.
I researched this and found it is true and indeed FAS have redesigned this area
If something goes wrong with my rear sight at least I still have a pistol to shoot, whereas if that top strap goes I'm stuffed.
I'm reading a lot of claims here but no verification with evidence.
Hopefully you'll put that right in your next post although I somehow doubt you can
In the meantime this is interesting.

https://www./community/index.php?thr...-strap.340657/

I can't seem to get the link to work but if you go to the airgun forum and look under pistols you'll see someone posting about "dreaded top frame cracking"

Andy don't pay too much attention to these forum sages.
The only person who can judge is you.
What you're up against here is people who just say you must take their word for it and will never back up their claims with verifiable evidence
You'll notice they always say "do a search"
If it was that easy they'd be posting up links themselves to tell you how terrible these pistols are but they won't and they can't.
There maybe something in the rear sight issue l, just as there is with the top frames cracking on the 604 (notice how they ignore that one) but pretty much everything else they're claiming is unverifiable tosh.

[mikec4]

You should read the other contributors postings :-


"I had a 6004 two days before it broke. (the back sight). I took it back to the suppliers and got a refund" IJ


"I have seen a few 6004’s through pony club (low use, carefully used) with loose pins, oval pin holes that just suggest that the frame metal is just not as good, the triggers are also just not as good. So these 5-6 year old guns are already showing signs of wear whereas 40year old 604’s generally just need a £6 set of seals if not working and maybe a coat of paint if badly worn. The old 604’s definitely had more hand finishing on the internals. Where there are breakages on the 604’s it’s usually the top cover where it sweeps up over the grip and that is usually as a result of being dropped." sgibbar


"Never used a 604, but had shocking experience with a 6004, poor consistency, pellet fussy, poor build quality, replaced it with a Gamo Compact which after spending about £5 on some files, wet&dry and some time to fettle trigger was everything the 6004 should have been for 1/3 of the price" clipper.


"I had a 604 years ago, that's why I bought a 6004, it was supposed to be an updated 604. Mine went in the bin. Tiny steel screws into soft aluminium, glass rear sights etc. The final nail in the coffin was the bracket that holds the barrel in the over- lever. It kept coming loose and letting the barrel move back failing to seal against the breech seal.
Nipped it up a few times and the tiny bolts stripped. There's not enough metal to drill out and re-tap for a bigger bolt so it was a write off.
Never had a problem with the old 604." brusieboy


If you trawl back through the other 6004 threads that have been in this section previously you may find a few more comments of some interest.


Hope this helps.

Candleman; I think this might answer your comment about reference sources.

BTW, Zooma, I. J. and myself have around 120+ years experience of pistol shooting at club, county and national level - we try to help other members on this forum as best we can. Unfortunately some are just born sceptics .

[PhatMan]

Hello to All,

Some fixes/improvements for the Chiappa 6004 :

http://www.targettalk.org/viewtopic.php?t=53523

Have fun & a good Sunday

Best regards

Russ

[zooma]

Hello to All,

Some fixes/improvements for the Chiappa 6004 :

http://www.targettalk.org/viewtopic.php?t=53523

Have fun & a good Sunday

Best regards

Russ

That is a good link Russ - many thanks.

[candleman]

Candleman; I think this might answer your comment about reference sources.

BTW, Zooma, I. J. and myself have around 120+ years experience of pistol shooting at club, county and national level - we try to help other members on this forum as best we can. Unfortunately some are just born sceptics .

Forgive me for not bowing to your perceived superiority, but by verifiable I mean evidence not hearsay.
Using your logic because a few Ford Focus cars have problems that means all Ford Focus cars are rubbish
That's the logic you're using and it's idiotic.
What you're going to do next is show me verifiable citation from the shooting media with actual photographic evidence of your claims.
And why are you still running away from the cracking top frame issues.
Finally, please explain why it is that my 6004 along with a few others being used at my club have performed flawlessly and why am I reading near perfect reviews on various other sites.
Finally don't think you can pull rank on me.
I'm just as old and experienced as you and anyone else here.
Now I'm waiting for actual evidence.
Not he says she says.

[zooma]

Candleman; I think this might answer your comment about reference sources.

BTW, Zooma, I. J. and myself have around 120+ years experience of pistol shooting at club, county and national level - we try to help other members on this forum as best we can. Unfortunately some are just born sceptics .

Owners of 6004 air pistol on here who have truthfully recorded their experiences and failures with their own air pistols (probably in the correct spirt of the BBS to to try help and advise others) should not be accused of spreading bullshit.

To try to dismiss these descriptions shows a huge lack of respect for these BBS members, and name calling shows a certain level of ignorance that we have not had to suffer here on the BBS previously.

The poor quality choice of (soft) material that Chiappa use to mass produce their products and the lack of time spent on the quality of finishing is well known and well documented. Childish name calling is not going to change this.

I am still hopeful that Chiappa will try to improve these two areas in particular as I still really like the look and the feel of the 6004, and I would still like to buy one when and if they can improve the areas that have proven to be weak or unreliable, but as a realist, I am not going to try to convince myself that the air pistols are currently without fault.......even if they do look really good!