Anyone like flip up breech underlevers

[dvd]

I believe you are right on u/ls.

They both are derivatives of the mid-70s Walther LGR 10M match SSP, the first rifle to rival the FWB300S. Much of that was down to the SSP system, but clearly the flip-tap did not in any way impede high accuracy. Unlike mass-produced rotary taps, which did.

I like well-done tap-loaders and flip breeches. Even 57-style pop-ups. They are convenient, and very safe.

Unfortunately, they fall badly between two stools.

For the mass market, especially unrestricted in power, the sliding breech/comp tube shoots faster and harder. For the connoisseur, including in restricted markets, the sliding breech shoots nicer at a given power level. Which explains their demise.

I like sliding compression tubes and direct loading into the breech, very efficient, but I must admit the thought of a potential mishap and squashed fingertips gives me the creeps whenever I load these type of airguns.
At reduced power levels, the flip up type can be very good IF designed well in the alignment area. Otherwise they clip the pellet and accuracy suffers. At higher power levels there is too much lost volume which makes it harder to use stronger springs without becoming too slammy.

Hang on to your levers and barrels !

[cooper_dan]

I'm a fan of the flip up type. Obvious issues are TP length and scope height/length.
TP length isn't the end of the world. There are some break barrels with quite long ones which can shoot nicely. Scope interference is the bigger issue.

I am designing a fixed barrel version of my recoiless springer and am wanting to use a flip up breech. Potentially looking at 'flip sideways' as an option to avoid the scope issue.

[jonnyone]

I have no experience of the Webley but I've got a .177 and .22 Diana 46 and both shoot very well. The .177 is at UK power but the .22 was one of the last on the shelf out in SWS and is still at German power.
Nice accurate guns and I've had no issue with clipping of the pellet on either.

Dave

[zephyr]

Aren’t all break barrels, flip-ups?

[TonyL]

I've never owned a flip-up breech rifle. Nothing against them and I'd certainly be more than willing to give one a home. Nothing to add in technical terms other than it's a safety & convenience vs efficiency thing and, as mentioned above, if the desired power can be achieved whilst maintaining pleasant shooting characteristics, I can't see anything not to like, really.

[venoman]

The one problem with them is due to the long length of the transfer this absorbs power.

[HW777]

I'm a fan of the flip up type. Obvious issues are TP length and scope height/length.
TP length isn't the end of the world. There are some break barrels with quite long ones which can shoot nicely. Scope interference is the bigger issue.

I am designing a fixed barrel version of my recoiless springer and am wanting to use a flip up breech. Potentially looking at 'flip sideways' as an option to avoid the scope issue.

The flip up breech has merit Dan and is a very safe way to load an U/L but beware that the long transfer port will take more spring to make up for the lost volume at the loading port.


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John

[cooper_dan]

The flip up breech has merit Dan and is a very safe way to load an U/L but beware that the long transfer port will take more spring to make up for the lost volume at the loading port.


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John

Agreed. Fortunately as it will be recoilless, a bit of extra spring doesn't really matter. Cocking will be a tiny be harder but doubt many people could tell without measuring it.

[MartynB]

I am designing a fixed barrel version of my recoiless springer and am wanting to use a flip up breech. Potentially looking at 'flip sideways' as an option to avoid the scope issue.

What about a shorter rotary breach like the Airsporter

[cooper_dan]

What about a shorter rotary breach like the Airsporter

Would have a similar issue with scope length, in that the scope or sunshade could not go over the top, or you wouldn't be able to get pellets in. I guess a side loading rotary would work.

Still playing with ideas. Part of me just wants to be different, but if it compromises performance I'll settle for tried and tested

[maximus]

What about a cross feeding mag like a Steyr hunting 5 thingy?

[harvey_s]

I do like the Webley Eclipse...what are they like to shoot?

[Thegreg]

I do like the Webley Eclipse...what are they like to shoot?

I personally really like the Eclipse. The aluminium cylinder was an innovation and I don’t think it quite gets the recognition that it’s due for just how bold it was to go for that design on a spring gun. It is noticeably lighter that anything else of the same class when you pick it up, and the black anodised finish was as good as Webley’s blued steel.

Anyway, on to your question. I think they shoot very well. Nicely balanced, decent trigger, and smooth enough firing cycle.

Two things ruined these rifles; fitting heavier springs which elongated the cross pin holes in the cylinder, and people overtightening scope mounts, which chewed up the dovetails.

If you can find an unabused one go for it 👍

Cheers
Greg

[Gamocfx]

I am pretty sure I had a Hatsan with a flip up breach? It was a long time ago though and I may well be wrong... Also had the Webley which was fun

[old goat]

I do like the Webley Eclipse...what are they like to shoot?

Got a .177 Eclipse a couple of years back in near mint condition, its a Mk 1 model, took it out to shoot a few days back and was reminded how well it shoots, well balanced nice trigger and smooth cycle plus full power, bit fiddly loading in .177 but otherwise a nice rifle