Anyone like flip up breech underlevers

[maximus]

What about a cross feeding mag like a Steyr hunting 5 thingy?

[harvey_s]

I do like the Webley Eclipse...what are they like to shoot?

[Thegreg]

I do like the Webley Eclipse...what are they like to shoot?

I personally really like the Eclipse. The aluminium cylinder was an innovation and I don’t think it quite gets the recognition that it’s due for just how bold it was to go for that design on a spring gun. It is noticeably lighter that anything else of the same class when you pick it up, and the black anodised finish was as good as Webley’s blued steel.

Anyway, on to your question. I think they shoot very well. Nicely balanced, decent trigger, and smooth enough firing cycle.

Two things ruined these rifles; fitting heavier springs which elongated the cross pin holes in the cylinder, and people overtightening scope mounts, which chewed up the dovetails.

If you can find an unabused one go for it 👍

Cheers
Greg

[Gamocfx]

I am pretty sure I had a Hatsan with a flip up breach? It was a long time ago though and I may well be wrong... Also had the Webley which was fun

[old goat]

I do like the Webley Eclipse...what are they like to shoot?

Got a .177 Eclipse a couple of years back in near mint condition, its a Mk 1 model, took it out to shoot a few days back and was reminded how well it shoots, well balanced nice trigger and smooth cycle plus full power, bit fiddly loading in .177 but otherwise a nice rifle

[harvey_s]

Got a .177 Eclipse a couple of years back in near mint condition, its a Mk 1 model, took it out to shoot a few days back and was reminded how well it shoots, well balanced nice trigger and smooth cycle plus full power, bit fiddly loading in .177 but otherwise a nice rifle

Lucky you, it was the .177 that appealed - most seem to be .22

[SMKJOHN]

I have a Norica Quick bought because of its novelty. This has a flip up breech of around 35mm long so plenty of room to load a pellet. A write up i did of it.. https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/thea...ick-t1252.html

[TonyL]

I am pretty sure I had a Hatsan with a flip up breach? It was a long time ago though and I may well be wrong.

Would make perfect sense with the Webley / Hatsan tie-up.

[brassbanjo]

The hatsan torpedo uses a clever sliding barrel arrangement

https://images.airgundepot.com/ay/ai...-vortex-36.gif

Very safe to use AND no need for a long transfer port

[Barryg]

The hatsan torpedo uses a clever sliding barrel arrangement

https://images.airgundepot.com/ay/ai...-vortex-36.gif

Very safe to use AND no need for a long transfer port

I sort of like it
But it's not a fixed barrel.

[cooper_dan]

Best made flip up I have used wasn't on an underlever but on the battery cranked Browning Airstar. Not so much a flip up breech, more of a flip up cover. When raised it revealed a slot for the pellet to be dropped into and sealed the slot when closed

I got my airstar out to have another look at it. It's nicely made but has some issues. The pellet drops into the transfer port just behind the barrel, so the TP is a very big diameter. And there is no control over the starting position of the pellet (as the slot is quite long).
Apart from the novelty, I can't remember mine being very nice to shoot. Maybe I'll charge it up to remind myself

[Geezer]

The hatsan torpedo uses a clever sliding barrel arrangement

https://images.airgundepot.com/ay/ai...-vortex-36.gif

Very safe to use AND no need for a long transfer port

Novel.

Looks a potential accuracy nightmare.

[brassbanjo]

Novel.

Looks a potential accuracy nightmare.

Not sure why you would think that - it is simply a barrel sliding within the fixed outer sleeve
any decent lathe could do a good job

remember there is no great force on the barrel as with a break barrel

[Geezer]

Not sure why you would think that - it is simply a barrel sliding within the fixed outer sleeve
any decent lathe could do a good job

remember there is no great force on the barrel as with a break barrel

You may be right.

I’d suggest the difference is that a break barrel (assuming good breech-bolting) will tend, if it does give issues, to give issues in only the vertical plane, and any POI movement will usually occur progressively over long use and is easily compensated for.

Whereas a slidey thing could misalign in any direction.

Could be wrong. Just the slidey thing feels novel and maybe not a great idea.

[accuracy lover]

I think that Hatsan (or whoever thought or invented this solution) had a very good idea.
The possible accuracy issues can be easily solved by controled quality of manufacture of the various parts - for example if this system was made by Feinwerkbau or Anschutz the tolerances between parts would be much- much better.
The system can be developed in a way that it could allow easy and fast barrel interchangeability (swap the 0.177" barrel with a 0.22" one or a 0.20" in minutes - without the neccesity of special tools).
It could also be made in a free floating design allowing maximum potential in accuracy.
A clever designer could also add a simple mechanism for adjusting the point of impact on target so the shooter can make scope zeroing much easier (by altering the angle of the barrel inside the sleeve).
Just some food for thought...