idiot neighbour

[jcr71]

no more bother from the neighbour, but a couple of curious incidents yesterday.

firstly, washing the cars yesterday morning i noticed a used pellet outside the porch door. i honestly have no idea where its from or even how long its been there. although id like to think that its something id spot quite quickly, but then my eyes arent as sharp as they used to be. i had a look around but couldnt see any obvious damage anywhere, so ill just put it down as a strange coincidence for now

secondly, a post popped up on the local facebook page that my partner is a member of. people have been finding song birds in three of the local roads that have been shot with pellets.
this is absolutely nothing to do with my neighbour im certain, its just another nail in the coffin of gun ownership

[cjos16]

Cant believe this is 4 pages long, the op’s had his answer regarding the best thing todo, he opted for the nicer route. considering you dont have to be signed in or a member to view all this is ammo enough for the anti’s anyway so its just another nail in the lid for those of us that follow the rules to keep the sport alive.
Sad times when a sport that’s already drowning in laws is pushed under by the people that try to keep it going.

Also to the op
http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread....60#post7274060
Post #8 you want to shoot pigeons and jackdaws in your back garden ? I grow veg, fruit, but shooting pigeons and jackdaws on my garden wouldnt be legal, whats diffrent about yours ?

[angrybear]

Cant believe this is 4 pages long, the op’s had his answer regarding the best thing todo, he opted for the nicer route. considering you dont have to be signed in or a member to view all this is ammo enough for the anti’s anyway so its just another nail in the lid for those of us that follow the rules to keep the sport alive.
Sad times when a sport that’s already drowning in laws is pushed under by the people that try to keep it going.

Also to the op
http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread....60#post7274060
Post #8 you want to shoot pigeons and jackdaws in your back garden ? I grow veg, fruit, but shooting pigeons and jackdaws on my garden wouldnt be legal, whats diffrent about yours ?

Exactly the opposite is true, any 'anti' would see the vast majority of members taking great offence at irresponsible shooting & illegal killing, wanting the offender to be reported.
the only ones with a foot on the back of a drowning sport, are those who refuse to condemn such stupidity.

[Muskett]

Who is not condemning shooting across boundaries and any of the rest? No one.

No offender has been identified, though someone is suspected. Action has been taken, and the word got about so it all might stop?????

I don't get the "it has to be reported" part of this? Not at this stage.

The Police will log this as an offence just as insurance companies log an accident when an enquiry is made; adds to their stats. The Police probably don't have enough information nor resources to worry too much as no one was threatened with a gun. The fact is it will be another reported unresolved crime.
Have enough of those and its just ammunition for the Police as they are institutionally anti gun.

Antis just see what they want. They don't care further than their crusade.

Sorry, I just find it alien that communities can't work some of this kind of thing out without referring everything to the Police, the Council, someone else, some "higher" authority. Can't anyone show a bit of responsible leadership?
However, I do think at some point certain things should be taken to another level, as some things are too big. But not someone knocking off a flipping pigeon straight off, straight to jail. Yes, it is illegal. Yes, it needs to stop. No one here condones it. But it doesn't warrant the Police kicking down doors straight off as some here seem to suggest it should.
Give it all some proportionality.

[Moss74]

It's a difficult one for sure,
I wouldn't be happy about someone shooting over my garden.
The OP has confronted the chap in question and if he doesn't stop he's left with no option.
I understand reporting it is fuel for the antis but enough is enough, it's dangerous
If it's to the point where the police need to confiscate the rifle it's probably the best outcome

Martin

[angrybear]

Sorry, I just find it alien that communities can't work some of this kind of thing out without referring everything to the Police, the Council, someone else, some "higher" authority. Can't anyone show a bit of responsible leadership?
However, I do think at some point certain things should be taken to another level, as some things are too big. But not someone knocking off a flipping pigeon straight off, straight to jail. Yes, it is illegal. Yes, it needs to stop. No one here condones it. But it doesn't warrant the Police kicking down doors straight off as some here seem to suggest it should.
Give it all some proportionality.

Proportionality is exactly what your post is lacking

We are showing responsibility when we say it should be reported

No one would be "straight to jail", neither would the police be "kicking down doors"
If you were lucky in about a week he'd get a visit from a uniform asking him to explain what had happened.
It took 10 days for them to appear after my idiot neighbour made the written statement I referred to above & that was only 2 years ago.

Personally I view anyone who argues against reporting such behaviour as partially condoning it.

[Muskett]

Proportionality is exactly what your post is lacking

We are showing responsibility when we say it should be reported

No one would be "straight to jail", neither would the police be "kicking down doors"
If you were lucky in about a week he'd get a visit from a uniform asking him to explain what had happened.
It took 10 days for them to appear after my idiot neighbour made the written statement I referred to above & that was only 2 years ago.

Personally I view anyone who argues against reporting such behaviour as partially condoning it.

Well this is where you are wrong. The Police have a history of kicking down door for even lesser reasons than here.
I presume you are not enjoying the Police involvement to the erroneous accusation? You are now on record.
And you want this case to go the same way, when quite possibly there was no need after a quiet word?

[angrybear]

Well this is where you are wrong. The Police have a history of kicking down door for even lesser reasons than here.
I presume you are not enjoying the Police involvement to the erroneous accusation? You are now on record.
And you want this case to go the same way, when quite possibly there was no need after a quiet word?

Well I've never heard of kicking down a door over shooting birds/wildlife in a neighbours garden, which is the event you report to the police.

It cost me a couple of hours to explain & show them proof of my version of events and the truth of the matter came out against the idiot.
Yes it's on record, so what ? my new FEO mentioned it at my renewal, I explained the whole thing & the renewal went through, no great shakes.

Big difference, it was a total lie against me from a nutcase I'd told to stop trespassing on my land.
In this case the idiot has been seen carrying out these illegal acts,
so reporting the shooting of the bird in his garden, along with his having been seen by the partner shooting from his doorstep is the justified course of action.

[jcr71]

http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread....60#post7274060
Post #8 you want to shoot pigeons and jackdaws in your back garden ? I grow veg, fruit, but shooting pigeons and jackdaws on my garden wouldnt be legal, whats diffrent about yours ?

as you can clearly see from that thread, i didnt even own a gun then or know the current laws. but like a responsible adult i joined a forum to get some expert advice.

and just for your information, after i bought a gun off a very helpful member on this site, i went on to plink but never shot at a single creature.

also, as i stated at the start of this thread, i have nothing against someone shooting pests in their own garden.

im sorry if ive offended you in some way so that you feel you need to try and paint me in a bad light.

[laverdabru]

as you can clearly see from that thread, i didnt even own a gun then or know the current laws. but like a responsible adult i joined a forum to get some expert advice.

and just for your information, after i bought a gun off a very helpful member on this site, i went on to plink but never shot at a single creature.

also, as i stated at the start of this thread, i have nothing against someone shooting pests in their own garden.

im sorry if ive offended you in some way so that you feel you need to try and paint me in a bad light.

Can't see how your post(s) would offend anyone, tbh.
One thing you mentioned in the first post of this thread was that your neighbour was shooting across the road - that, like footpaths, is a big no no, & could end in a world of pain for him, as well as being incredibly stupid.
When I used to cycle into work & back along a country lane, one of the local farmers used to take pot-shots from his yard with a .22 cartridge rifle at pigeons/crows in trees at the other side of the road, very disconcerting to cyclists & walkers! Don't know if someone 'had a word' but it soon stopped.

ATB

Bru