SSP madness?

[carlins2000]

I have a strange yurning for a single stroke pneumatic, am I loosing my mind? Are they as bad as some say, unreliable, fiddley, hard work etc?
Is there a better model/design to look out for to test the water with without delving in to the ulta rare collectable category?

Or should I just forget the whole pipe dream and keep fiddling with my 97kt ?

[ZAKDINGEL]

I have a strange yurning for a single stroke pneumatic, am I loosing my mind? Are they as bad as some say, unreliable, fiddley, hard work etc?
Is there a better model/design to look out for to test the water with without delving in to the ulta rare collectable category?

Or should I just forget the whole pipe dream and keep fiddling with my 97kt ?

Years back a mate had a titan it was very--- no I mean super accurate I whish I had bought it when he was selling it so if one came up now at a nice price I would have one--they might be slower than a pcp with a mag but if your just shooting for fun and not wanting a quick large bag of rabbits --then go for one-- no more running low on air

[T 20]

Years back a mate had a titan it was very--- no I mean super accurate I whish I had bought it when he was selling it so if one came up now at a nice price I would have one--they might be slower than a pcp with a mag but if your just shooting for fun and not wanting a quick large bag of rabbits --then go for one-- no more running low on air

I have two Mohawks ---> walks off looking smug.

[Geezer]

I have a Dragon and a Mohawk.

I prefer the Mohawk. It also appears simpler to work on if it needs it - a proper Bowkett design.

Neither would be what you wanted for an HFT match or a long plinking session.

[carlins2000]

I'm imagining this as a summer evening mooch gun, the odd shot at a bunny or pigeon and maybe an odd acorn! 15 - 20 shots down the garden range of an evening then back in the bag.

[AC all day]

I have an Airlogic Genesis, not a light gun or one for pinking with but... Pin acurate and a dream to shoot....
I also have a simple super light Bowkett which is just chalk and cheese, simple and straight forward...
Then I also have a Daystate Sportsman mkii which is just leftover Mohawk parts from India.....
Yes I like Single stroke pneumatics, they can be so different and yet the same.... I have also had a JB1, a Mohawk, a Dragon, a FWB 600, Baikal izzy and a missed opportunity on a Laisar 12..(i did get to shoot it though) along with 3 other Genesis's....
Personal advice if one pops up at the right money then buy it especially if its a Bowkett design.

[tomdavies9]

I have a strange yurning for a single stroke pneumatic, am I loosing my mind? Are they as bad as some say, unreliable, fiddley, hard work etc?
Is there a better model/design to look out for to test the water with without delving in to the ulta rare collectable category?

Or should I just forget the whole pipe dream and keep fiddling with my 97kt ?

They are no where near as bad as some people make out, I love shooting every one of mine.
Each I’ve ever shot have their own pros and cons…

Dragon sporter (my favourite), consistent and easy to cock due to the sliding pivot. As mentioned previously can be a pain if they go wrong.

Dragon FT, as above but longer and heavier.

Mohawk, nice and simple but a long throw on the lever. Manageable with proper technique.

JB1 lever pretty similar to the Mohawk, nice inline valve with a strange barrel. Some issue with part fitment on some models means they are a bit scarce now as most were recalled.

Genesis, very heavy and tough to cock. Also prices seem to be way inflated at the minute.

JB specials, all slightly different and interesting. Nice and light, the dual pivot does work well too, but again there’s definitely a knack.

[Mr Pusk]

May I suggest a Walther LGR? An all-conquering match rifle in its day. If even I can replace the seals successfully it can't be considered difficult to service. Beautifully accurate, even at 25 yards, and you don't need to be a body builder to cock it.

[TonyL]

I love the idea and the actual shooting of the "full power" SSPs, but my increasingly weakening arms (being investigated now) make me shudder at the thought of priming them. Real shame as, on paper, the SSP has to be the perfect system......recoilless, self-contained, consistent, which is obviously why so many chased the dream. But, now, a 10m match rifle with the correspondingly lower effort........ And I've thought for years (as I love my HW40 pistol), that a carbine type rifle based on the 40 with, say, 7 to 8ft.lbs output and reasonable priming effort, would make a beautiful little, highly accurate, informal target / short range hunter.

[tomdavies9]

And I've thought for years (as I love my HW40 pistol), that a carbine type rifle based on the 40 with, say, 7 to 8ft.lbs output and reasonable priming effort, would make a beautiful little, highly accurate, informal target / short range hunter.

Now there’s an idea, might have a go

[Geezer]

I love the idea and the actual shooting of the "full power" SSPs, but my increasingly weakening arms (being investigated now) make me shudder at the thought of priming them. Real shame as, on paper, the SSP has to be the perfect system......recoilless, self-contained, consistent, which is obviously why so many chased the dream. But, now, a 10m match rifle with the correspondingly lower effort........ And I've thought for years (as I love my HW40 pistol), that a carbine type rifle based on the 40 with, say, 7 to 8ft.lbs output and reasonable priming effort, would make a beautiful little, highly accurate, informal target / short range hunter.

Now there’s an idea, might have a go

Or you could just use 3-4 (easy and light) pumps on a Sheridan or similar pumper to gain the same effect.

[TonyL]

Now there’s an idea, might have a go

Aha. There's a little challenge for you then, Tom.. I wonder if the standard valving / trigger arrangement would be fine as it is, or if it would "beefing up" in any way? Guessing it'd need that higher pumped volume (would longer stroke only suffice or would it need larger bore too?) and a longer barrel to make the use of it.

[T 20]

I love the idea and the actual shooting of the "full power" SSPs, but my increasingly weakening arms (being investigated now) make me shudder at the thought of priming them. Real shame as, on paper, the SSP has to be the perfect system......recoilless, self-contained, consistent, which is obviously why so many chased the dream. But, now, a 10m match rifle with the correspondingly lower effort........ And I've thought for years (as I love my HW40 pistol), that a carbine type rifle based on the 40 with, say, 7 to 8ft.lbs output and reasonable priming effort, would make a beautiful little, highly accurate, informal target / short range hunter.

I was going to have a go at building a small and light single stroke gun, Tone, so I looked around for a gun to convert.
I ended up buying an SMK QB somethingorother CO2 gun to convert, these have a decent barrel and bolt assembly, and a fairly decent trigger.
I was going to use a wider pump tube than the original CO2 tube and then drop the lot into a HW85 stock, the only problem was that the pump arm would have to lie on the left of the action rather than the right as on the Mohawk.
unfortunately I never got round to playing with it, so I now have a QB thingy I've never fired a single pellet through and a spare HW85 stock.


I might have to dig this out for another think now, if I sacrificed power I could use the same diameter tube as the QB CO2 tube for the pump then use the QB stock as well.





All the best Mick

[AC all day]

I was going to have a go at building a small and light single stroke gun, Tone, so I looked around for a gun to convert.
I ended up buying an SMK QB somethingorother CO2 gun to convert, these have a decent barrel and bolt assembly, and a fairly decent trigger.
I was going to use a wider pump tube than the original CO2 tube and then drop the lot into a HW85 stock, the only problem was that the pump arm would have to lie on the left of the action rather than the right as on the Mohawk.
unfortunately I never got round to playing with it, so I now have a QB thingy I've never fired a single pellet through and a spare HW85 stock.


I might have to dig this out for another think now, if I sacrificed power I could use the same diameter tube as the QB CO2 tube for the pump then use the QB stock as well.





All the best Mick

Recently I have seen a multi stroke made from an old Brocock Slimjim pump.... It looked soooo weird, but then why invent the wheel if it works. I think it was grafted onto a Crosman.

[TonyL]

I was going to have a go at building a small and light single stroke gun, Tone, so I looked around for a gun to convert.
I ended up buying an SMK QB somethingorother CO2 gun to convert, these have a decent barrel and bolt assembly, and a fairly decent trigger.
I was going to use a wider pump tube than the original CO2 tube and then drop the lot into a HW85 stock, the only problem was that the pump arm would have to lie on the left of the action rather than the right as on the Mohawk.
unfortunately I never got round to playing with it, so I now have a QB thingy I've never fired a single pellet through and a spare HW85 stock.


I might have to dig this out for another think now, if I sacrificed power I could use the same diameter tube as the QB CO2 tube for the pump then use the QB stock as well.

All the best Mick

Ooo-er, a T20 single-stroke project.. Yes please, Mick; I think we'd all look forward to seeing the resulting little toy from this.