Light Triggers And Snatching

[AdeC]

To be fair the standard of shooting by the British in the Boer wars was so bad the NSRA was set up to improve it!
While trying to explain the concept of the surprise break on another forum a while back, I was amazed at how many people just didn't understand the concept

[NickG]

I have observed some very good shots on the field target circuit Ihave witnessed a technique even where they tap the trigger several times before the shot !.
Almost like several snatches .
Not for me I use the op's approach.

[rapidresponse1]

agree with you

[look no hands]

I actually adjusted one of my triggers the other day as it was to light, I suppose the problem for me is using different triggers, I've become accustomed to the fake two stage unit on my Supersport Custom, which I find is a lovely trigger to use, so I try and set my other triggers up to be like that, the trigger I'm used to is not light but does break like glass (in my eyes anyway), so I'm used to pulling quickly through the first stage to positive stop and then tripping the trigger when ready, the proper two stage unit I adjusted the other day was to light, so when I pulled through the first stage quickly it went off, so I adjusted it slightly heavier, so it stopped positively, if you get what I'm saying.

[MartynB]

I actually adjusted one of my triggers the other day as it was to light, I suppose the problem for me is using different triggers, I've become accustomed to the fake two stage unit on my Supersport Custom, which I find is a lovely trigger to use, so I try and set my other triggers up to be like that, the trigger I'm used to is not light but does break like glass (in my eyes anyway), so I'm used to pulling quickly through the first stage to positive stop and then tripping the trigger when ready, the proper two stage unit I adjusted the other day was to light, so when I pulled through the first stage quickly it went off, so I adjusted it slightly heavier, so it stopped positively, if you get what I'm saying.

I also remember that on a Mercury S and Challenger I had back in the day

[Waddy]

I have to agree with the OP, I've bought two rifles second hand that had hair triggers, didn't like them set like that at all. One of them in particular, a HW 97, the millisecond I felt the trigger touch my finger it had fired !

Obviously everyone likes things how they are comfortable with, but sometimes it's just plain dangerous IMHO.

[Antoni]

I actually adjusted one of my triggers the other day as it was to light, I suppose the problem for me is using different triggers, I've become accustomed to the fake two stage unit on my Supersport Custom, which I find is a lovely trigger to use, so I try and set my other triggers up to be like that, the trigger I'm used to is not light but does break like glass (in my eyes anyway), so I'm used to pulling quickly through the first stage to positive stop and then tripping the trigger when ready, the proper two stage unit I adjusted the other day was to light, so when I pulled through the first stage quickly it went off, so I adjusted it slightly heavier, so it stopped positively, if you get what I'm saying.

What is a fake two stage trigger?

What is the advantage of a two stage trigger over the trigger on my Scorpion pistol which doesn't move until it fires after more than one and a half pounds force is exceeded? I like that type the most.

[look no hands]

What is a fake two stage trigger?

What is the advantage of a two stage trigger over the trigger on my Scorpion pistol which doesn't move until it fires after more than one and a half pounds force is exceeded? I like that type the most.

Commonly known as a pseudo trigger, not a true or proper two stager, I like them as my Supersport has one and I shoot that well.

[Antoni]

My HW80 has the respected Rekord triger but I've never understood what the first stage does - except that sometimes the trigger does not return if I abandon the shot before the second release stage.

What does the first stage of a real two-stage trigger do?

[lightning22]

My HW80 has the respected Rekord triger but I've never understood what the first stage does - except that sometimes the trigger does not return if I abandon the shot before the second release stage.

What does the first stage of a real two-stage trigger do?

It should return when you release it. It could be you just need to add half a turn clockwise to the weight screw behind the trigger blade.

If a bit of extra spring pressure doesn't fix it it could need a clean and relube, or maybe a little more restorative work internally.

[MartynB]

except that sometimes the trigger does not return if I abandon the shot before the second release stage.

That can be easily tuned out with polishing and Molycote

[maximus]

I think the advantage of a true two stage trigger is that it is safer due the the increased sear engagement prior to taking up the first stage. The pseudo two stage triggers are basically set on a knife edge to give a creep free 'second' stage. I also think that with heavier triggers its more difficult to gradually squeeze the shot off as due to the weight of pull it takes more time to release the shot which means holding aim for longer. I find it much easier with a light trigger but they can be too light.

[look no hands]

I think the advantage of a true two stage trigger is that it is safer due the the increased sear engagement prior to taking up the first stage. The pseudo two stage triggers are basically set on a knife edge to give a creep free 'second' stage. I also think that with heavier triggers its more difficult to gradually squeeze the shot off as due to the weight of pull it takes more time to release the shot which means holding aim for longer. I find it much easier with a light trigger but they can be too light.

That's what I found with the two stage trigger I adjusted the other day, if I slowly pulled through the first stage, you could feel the stop and you could hold it until taking the shot but if you pulled through the first stage quickly then it tripped the sears, which sometimes I don't want to do, I think I only turned the screw about half a turn, just enough to stop them tripping but not enough to make it heavy and hard to release, thus pulling it off shot.

[ToniD]

What is a fake two stage trigger?

What is the advantage of a two stage trigger over the trigger on my Scorpion pistol which doesn't move until it fires after more than one and a half pounds force is exceeded? I like that type the most.

I believe that the Webley Vulcan has a fake two stage trigger.
It is explained in detail somewhere on here.