Ultimate spring and pcp of ALL TIME....

[the growler]

Ok what's the best? I would say hw77 and theoben rapid7.

[Mach 1.5]

Venom Mach 1
Theoben Rapid

Mach 1.5

[clipper]

For it's now inspiring design lines I'm another vote for the Theoben Rapid in the PCP category

It gave us buddy bottle, magazine fed bolt action, floating barrel, reliability mostly borne out of its simplicity, and dominated in field and target until others started to copy it's features and back it up with better marketing and distribution

As much as it hurts to say it the HW77 in the springer category only because it pre dates the TX range by 7 odd years, 40 years later is still a premium rifle, only slightly bettered by HW with the 97 (drops iron sights, better options for silencers) - but if you had an original '84 model that had been shown the minimum amount of care and maintenance it would be just as good as a 2024 model fresh out of the box

[TonyL]

"Exclusive" springer, the Mach 1 or 2.

"Factory" springer......the HW77.

PCP.......probably the GC2?

[MrGreengrass]

FWB 124.
Rapid MK1.

[tinbum]

Mk1 HW77 for a factory springer.

PCP’s are all basically the same under 12 ft-lb, so…… anything without those godawful meccano stocks

[Segata]

Daisy Red Ryder, it'll have your eye out

[Hsing-ee]

Ok what's the best? I would say hw77 and theoben rapid7.

Yes spot on. I’d say a 25mm piston ‘Mk 2’ HW77 with the removable front sight to give full range of sighting options, as a short-stroke and weaker spring with diopters can make an excellent bell-target gun or 10m practice rifle.

I’ve no experience with the Rapid but a top quality simple solid design that I’ve never heard a bad word about which is endlessly rebuildable must be the best answer to the question. And it doesn’t look like a dreadful tool from a science fiction film, it has a wooden stock and no ugly rails.

[Barryg]

Ok what's the best? I would say hw77 and theoben rapid7.

I wonder if it might have been more interesting if you had of said what is the best and (why it's the best) to see if there was any real reason a why it might be considered the best in a bit more detail.

It seems like most not all are just putting down what they own

[ToniD]

I wonder if it might have been more interesting if you had of said what is the best and (why it's the best) to see if there was any real reason a why it might be considered the best in a bit more detail.

It seems like most not all are just putting down what they own

Maybe they own them because they think they're the best. Just saying.

[look no hands]

I wonder if it might have been more interesting if you had of said what is the best and (why it's the best) to see if there was any real reason a why it might be considered the best in a bit more detail.

It seems like most not all are just putting down what they own

I like a rifle because of its looks as well, I had a Daystate X2 once, superb rifle, highly accurate and never let me down, but I wouldn't say it was the ultimate rifle, I said the Prosport as I think it's the best springer I own and the best looking as well, personally I don't care if the HW77 changed the world or if AA copied the Rekord trigger, its what I think, not what others think, I also happen to love the looks of the Excalibre and it shoots pretty spot on as well and doesn't cost a fortune.

[Barryg]

I like a rifle because of its looks as well, I had a Daystate X2 once, superb rifle, highly accurate and never let me down, but I wouldn't say it was the ultimate rifle, I said the Prosport as I think it's the best springer I own and the best looking as well, personally I don't care if the HW77 changed the world or if AA copied the Rekord trigger, its what I think, not what others think, I also happen to love the looks of the Excalibre and it shoots pretty spot on as well and doesn't cost a fortune.

I am like you I also like a rifle because of its looks so I won't disagree with you about the PS
But I also like airguns for their engineering design robustness and overall ability while still trying to keep looks, I choose the TX HC because it seems in-between the TX and the PS.

Anyway, I think that it's hard to disagree that these are the Ultimate spring and PCP so far made: cool:

[imorik]

Any one of the Whiscombes

Graham Bluck Dragon

GC2

[cyclonesparky]

HW 97
Theoben rapid