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  1. #1
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    A good question and interesting replies. I have variable scopes but they are set on x7 and don't move. Maybe I should get a x7 non variable scope? Indeed HFT does not let you change the magnification once you start the shoot.
    Strange how fashion changes as well. I remember not many years ago when x10 fixed 40 or 42 was all the rage for HFT and 'all serious' shooters swore by it. That now seems to have changed and 32x7 seems the fashion for many (most?) shooters.
    Cheers, Phil

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    I use zoom scopes all the time as they are the most versatile with a multi function rig.
    I walk around on 10x (HFT) style, but then turn it down for close range or inside barn work and up for distance shots and range finding.
    VAYA CON DIOS

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    I do enjoy using a x4 scope on a .22 springer, but then the range used at is no more than 20m. Lower mag can be an aid to fast shooting.

    My general purpose .177 springers often have 3-9 and are left at x9. .177 effectiveness relies on perfect shot placement.

    I have a couple of "accurate" air rifles that can do more than farmyard ranges and those have x14 or x16.
    I have one with a x24. Usually left at x10. Very deliberate shooting.

    For my firearms then its starts with x14 or x16, and may have a x24 or 26. But, most of the time they are set at x9 or 10.
    If a deer stalking rifle then often set at the lowest mag the scope has. You can always zoom up.

    With cheaper scopes then I don't like zooming about too much. Zero with highest mag, and then importantly check zero at its "ideal" mag. (Check parallax holds zero too, not all do.)
    I worry less with my higher end scopes as they tend to behave and be truly repeatable.

    The ethics of how we shoot has changed over the years. Just a hit isn't enough, and only perfect shot placements counts today. The better rifles can deliver that accuracy far further than ever before.
    Use the magnification that suits your eyes and gives the sight picture that best enables the accuracy required. Once x4 I could hit a flea, now I like to use a whole lot more.
    My game dealer asks for brain shot rabbits, so I changed from x6 to x10. Each shot takes longer to get that perfect shot placement now demanded.

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    I do like x4 as well. I have just swapped the scope on my HW80 for a 4x32 AO, gives a nice clear view, and doesn’t wobble as much with standing shots (I’m not as steady as I used to be).
    There is an interesting article in this month’s AGW showing how to calculate parallax which indicates that larger apertures produce more parallax error in HFT where the setting is fixed, driving HFT shooters to narrower apertures. Of course when you can adjust the parallax then wider apertures mean better focal ratio, less depth of field, so easier to set the focus more accurately. Horses for courses and no one size fits all.
    The responses have been interesting, it has been fascinating to see the range of favoured magnifications. Of course as well most of us use second focal plane scopes where the holdover/holdunder at a given range varies with the magnification which really drives the shooter to a fixed mag unless they always shoot at the zero range or they know their scope very well. However as respondents have pointed out, even if you use a fixed mag, the zoom lens does give an option to adopt a different fixed mag as your shooting evolves, or for hunters as light levels and circumstances dictate.

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    Got a 3-9 x 40. Stays on x7.
    Favourite scope at the mo is a 6x40 with German No.1 reticule, so obviously stays at that.

    What has happened is that the price of zoom scopes has come down over the years. Now the manufacturers know that customer's look at features as "value for money" and (sadly in my opinion) won't buy a fixed scope. Don't get me wrong - reading some of the replies, zoom is great (just as in photography), but using a fixed value mag will get you used to the range. You get to "know" your scope.
    I think it would be great to have some high quality glass in some fixed range options in addition to the x4. I'd go for x6 or x7 as my option (x10 too much for me at airgun ranges).
    I'd want better optical quality over cheaper price, and yes, AO would definitely be a nice option.

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    There has been a revolution in glass technology and lens manufacture and design over the past forty years. Just means lenses are not expensive and can be configured in any design easily enough.
    Add that to cad design laser machining then manufacturing a scope isn't too difficult or costly.

    Thing is there is a bit to getting the right combination of lenses, design, coatings, and all working together. Some scopes just are better designed, built, and just better in variable light conditions.

    Air Rifle's put quite a lot of demand on a scope. 10 to 45m range makes it tricky and demands parallax and the more sensitive that is the higher the mag.
    The more features the more to design right and the more to get wrong.
    And then there is how robust to make it all, and how repeatable it can stay over time.

    Basically, there is more to making a great scope as there is plenty to get wrong. Those manufacturers with the newest machinery tend to get more right, but only if they know what they are doing. Early Chinese scopes weren't great because they didn't really know what made a great scope. But with collaboration with brands that had more experience they have got a whole lot better. Now most reasonably priced scopes are pretty good.
    As scopes have become cheaper to make then more of the costs has gone into the marketing in a crowded market. High end scopes still cost a bomb.

    Manufacturers tend to make too many options, rather than make fewer, made better, that actually suit the few needs that are actually used in practice. I should think six scope variations might cover everything the market needs.

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    Yet another advocate of staying on 6x.....whether it's a fixed or zoom scope.

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