I like the rifles but the stocks are a little too chunky for my taste. . 177 was certainly the hardest to obtain, mine came from local via freeads a couple of years ago and cost £85 at the time in decent nick. The lad also had an Alan Hamer MAG Mercury in .25 which I stupidly turned down as I didn't want a break barrrel at the time. he wanted £150 and I had the cash in my pocket. Kicking myself now.