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    I know that in all competitive sports you will get cheats, some trying to stay on top of their game others as its the only way to do well.
    How do we stop or limit people from cheating in shooting, i cant speak much about FT as not done enough of that, but over the 3 years i have been doing HFT i have seen plenty.
    Some of this i have kept to myself some i have spoke about.Now do we sometimes not say anything not to affend or should it be brought to their attention that you wont stand for cheating.
    I personally am going to bring it to their attention this year and mark the card accordingly then let them argue it out with the organisers.
    How about if we highlight the things we have seen or heard so that people know what to look for.
    Maybe then people will not think of cheating as people have more of an understanding of what goes on.
    After all this is meant to be fun sport and its not like we are going to get a car for winning.
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    I think thats fair enough Daz. The sport is run to a gentlemans code and some folk are ungentlemanly. Other than cause the organisers major headaches I think that not shooting with the same person more than once throughout a season would help. I can't see how it could be done easily at national level though.

    Other than that I can't think how it could be improved, some people are weasels, some are stand up types. There'll always be someone trying to take the piss to get an advantage. The marshalls are there to over see safety and it's up to individual groups to police the scoring.

    I'll have a quiet word if I see something thats I think is cheating in a friendly manner, if it happens again with the same person I'll have a not so quiet word and make sure everyone hears it!

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    Just out of interest, what kind of cheating?

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    I agree with you (even though you nicked my Gold on sunday you bugger!)

    Maybe there should be a scorecard system as in golf, ie; both parties have to sign the card after the comp, the marker only signs it if he is happy with the scores entered on it

    I have refused to sign golf cards because the player had suggested a different score than I knew to be true!

    As you say, you mark their card as you see it and let them sort it out later if they say different
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    Quote Originally Posted by madcrazyferret View Post
    Just out of interest, what kind of cheating?
    Just for starters people missing a target completly then saying 'oh just a one then' when i have seen the pellet hit the ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattinlondon View Post
    I agree with you (even though you nicked my Gold on sunday you bugger!)

    Maybe there should be a scorecard system as in golf, ie; both parties have to sign the card after the comp, the marker only signs it if he is happy with the scores entered on it

    I have refused to sign golf cards because the player had suggested a different score than I knew to be true!

    As you say, you mark their card as you see it and let them sort it out later if they say different
    This is something that has always been in the rules but will be clamped down on this year.

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    Each shooter must mark their own scorecard with their set magnification and parallax of their scope together with make, model and calibre of their rifle prior to the start of shooting the course. If a complaint is received or when checked by a course marshal, it is discovered that the information entered on the card does not concur with the rifle/scope being used, the shooter will be excluded from the competition.

    When a target has been downed the shooter must gain visual confirmation from a fellow group member before it is reset.

    Only your shooting buddies are permitted to record your scores on your scorecard. No shooter will be allowed to mark their own scorecard under any circumstances. If an error is entered on any scorecard you must seek a marshal who will amend this error for you. Any altered or unreadable scores not correctly amended and signed off by a marshal shall be record as a zero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattinlondon View Post
    I agree with you (even though you nicked my Gold on sunday you bugger!)

    Maybe there should be a scorecard system as in golf, ie; both parties have to sign the card after the comp, the marker only signs it if he is happy with the scores entered on it

    I have refused to sign golf cards because the player had suggested a different score than I knew to be true!

    As you say, you mark their card as you see it and let them sort it out later if they say different
    Agreed that is a simple thing to do and easily to apply.
    As for your gold UNLUCKY hehehhehehe
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    What do you do in the following situation?

    You're shooting with a lad who's used to shooting FT style and is with his dad (who's not shooting) and he sticks a foot and a half of shooting cushion under his knee, shin and ankle. It's clearly breaking the UKAHFT rules as regards shooting cushions being knee protection only.

    In addition Dad is coaching said lad. Not in terms of shot post-mortem but before each peg.

    You point out the kneeling cushion thing in a friendly "Don't want you to lose any points for this mate" kind of way (the coaching is unsporting but not in the rules so...) and both lad and his dad tell you basically you're wrong (because there's a tiny glimmer of light at the ankle where there's somethig like 1mm of clearance ). Nobody backs you up. You offer to call a marshal and you're derided by everybody on your peg.

    This happened on the first shoot of a double header and so because of the atmosphere the weekend was spoiled for me.

    You know what, unless someone is unequivocally cheating I'm not going to intervene anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weevie View Post
    What do you do in the following situation?

    You're shooting with a lad who's used to shooting FT style and is with his dad (who's not shooting) and he sticks a foot and a half of shooting cushion under his knee, shin and ankle. It's clearly breaking the UKAHFT rules as regards shooting cushions being knee protection only.

    In addition Dad is coaching said lad. Not in terms of shot post-mortem but before each peg.

    You point out the kneeling cushion thing in a friendly "Don't want you to lose any points for this mate" kind of way (the coaching is unsporting but not in the rules so...) and both lad and his dad tell you basically you're wrong (because there's a tiny glimmer of light at the ankle where there's somethig like 1mm of clearance ). Nobody backs you up. You offer to call a marshal and you're derided by everybody on your peg.

    This happened on the first shoot of a double header and so because of the atmosphere the weekend was spoiled for me.

    You know what, unless someone is unequivocally cheating I'm not going to intervene anymore.
    The UKAHFT is on this as it is mentioned at the safety brief and the marshals carry a pic of the do's and dont's of kneelling so this should not happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nibbley-uk View Post
    The UKAHFT is on this as it is mentioned at the safety brief and the marshals carry a pic of the do's and dont's of kneelling so this should not happen.
    That's all very well, but if nobody in your shooting group wants you to call a marshal and clearly indicates their impatience with your views then what do you do? This was a double header. I was going to be shooting with these guys the next day too!

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    i've seen this with the cushion under the knee, imo it's an unfair advantage to the shooter, i don't carry one to put my gun on because i have a sling fitted, is it to simple to say ; no kneeling on cushions,for resting guns on only;
    wear a kneepad if you so wish, level playing field for all then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weevie View Post
    That's all very well, but if nobody in your shooting group wants you to call a marshal and clearly indicates their impatience with your views then what do you do? This was a double header. I was going to be shooting with these guys the next day too!
    That is why i started this thread not as to name names but give some FAQ and hope everyone gets some answers so that problems like this can be addressed.
    On your way round the course you will see marshals so without calling one you will be able to put these people straight then on the 2nd day if no changes were made point the errors out again and if they still continue a few zeros to their card may make them sit up and listen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayt07 View Post
    i've seen this with the cushion under the knee, imo it's an unfair advantage to the shooter, i don't carry one to put my gun on because i have a sling fitted, is it to simple to say ; no kneeling on cushions,for resting guns on only;
    wear a kneepad if you so wish, level playing field for all then.
    Not everyone likes using a cushion but as they are allowed everyone has the choice to use one, they are only there to make the shot more comfy not easier as long as the rules are stuck to.
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    With regards to the kneeling I think it should be the proper 3 point kneeling...

    Flat foot, knee and toe.

    Sitting on a turned foot is a no no but I also think that shooting on a flattened foot is also deemed as being the same. Also using the bean bag to support the shin in this kneeling position is wrong and should not be tolerated.

    This is my opinion and not that of the UKAHFT.
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    Has anyone got some pics of the right way for all stances as have always been a little confused and dont do comps at the moment but if i did would at least like to know iam doing it right
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