Very pleased for you mate
at long last my SCAC fac has turned up , i can now relax knowing all my 18 items are safe. im chuffed to bits , had to tell someone
Matt,
Very pleased for you mate
MOST OF THE WORLD YOU MEAN
I gave my application to them in person on 28th April. They've cashed my cheque but I've not had a phone call or visit after three weeks. I wonder if this is normal for Nottingham or if they've had a sudden mad rush.
Phil
'I reject your reality and substitute my own'
Just a word of warning to any out there who didn't apply or hand in their guns. The police are well *issed off. Brocock advised them that they had sold 70,000 TAC guns in the UK and at the cut off date only 10% had been regisered or handed in. The police are about to start a major operation to trace owners via warrenty cards and visits to gun shops to check invoices(credit card details ect) and contact airgun clubs. They are looking to make examples of people and will press for the madatory 5 year prision sentence. TAC guns are not to be included in any future gun amnaisty and if handed in at a police station will be treated as possession and charges will be forth comming.
Very few gun dealers in the UK have been granted the additional licence to handle these weapons.
Crap. See my post.Originally posted by stumpy lubnut
Just a word of warning to any out there who didn't apply or hand in their guns. The police are well *issed off. Brocock advised them that they had sold 70,000 TAC guns in the UK and at the cut off date only 10% had been regisered or handed in. The police are about to start a major operation to trace owners via warrenty cards and visits to gun shops to check invoices(credit card details ect) and contact airgun clubs. They are looking to make examples of people and will press for the madatory 5 year prision sentence. TAC guns are not to be included in any future gun amnaisty and if handed in at a police station will be treated as possession and charges will be forth comming.
Very few gun dealers in the UK have been granted the additional licence to handle these weapons.
Not crap mate, my friend a section 6 gun dealer attended a meeting at NSY today and was informed of the Mets attitude towards this matter.
Are you really saying that the Police have dicresion when applying the law regarding illigal posession of fire arms?
Last edited by stumpy lubnut; 19-05-2004 at 09:13 PM.
OK, your information may not be your own (and I don't mean to have a go at you), but it's still crap. To quote:
That just won't work: When Brococks were on general sale, up until earlier this year, there was no requirement to register buyers names and addresses. Credit card details are subject to Data Protection and invices only have to be kept for 6 years (Brococks were on sale for over 20 years). Even if you could prove that Joe Bloggs once bought a Brocock how would you prove he still owns it? Up until 19th January he could quite legally have sold it to "A bloke down the pub". And how many Airgun clubs keep a list of who owns what? And that's before you start getting into shops that've gone down the pan (and whose records have been lost) and guns that've been sold secondhand time and again.Originally posted by stumpy lubnut
Just a word of warning to any out there who didn't apply or hand in their guns. The police are well *issed off. Brocock advised them that they had sold 70,000 TAC guns in the UK and at the cut off date only 10% had been regisered or handed in. The police are about to start a major operation to trace owners via warrenty cards and visits to gun shops to check invoices(credit card details ect) and contact airgun clubs.
This is complete rubbish. Of course Brococks will be included in any future amnesty. Practically, how could they do otherwise - police station civvies can't tell one gun from another, so there'd need to be a firearms specialist at every front counter - which ain't gonna happen. The whole point of an amnesty is that there's no questions asked and if the public got wind of anything else going on that'd be the end of amnesties.Originally posted by stumpy lubnut
They are looking to make examples of people and will press for the madatory 5 year prision sentence. TAC guns are not to be included in any future gun amnaisty and if handed in at a police station will be treated as possession and charges will be forth comming.
As I said above, I'm not having a go at you, but there seems to be a large discrepancy between what you're saying and what I've been told by the FET today. Personally, I'd be more inclined to believe the FET. The information given to your friend (assuming he's not misinterpreting it) is obviously intended to get around and put the wind up anyone still knowingly in possession of an unregistered Brocock. As I said above, it's not really possible to target "Innocent" Brocock owners who're unaware of the law change - even if the will was there to do it.
"That just won't work: When Brococks were on general sale, up until earlier this year, there was no requirement to register buyers names and addresses. Credit card details are subject to Data Protection and invices only have to be kept for 6 years (Brococks were on sale for over 20 years). Even if you could prove that Joe Bloggs once bought a Brocock how would you prove he still owns it? Up until 19th January he could quite legally have sold it to "A bloke down the pub". And how many Airgun clubs keep a list of who owns what? And that's before you start getting into shops that've gone down the pan (and whose records have been lost) and guns that've been sold secondhand time and again."
I am an example of this: I have had 5 Brococks, 2 retained on FAC, 2 bought in person for cash and sold on this BBS - no proof of this, and 1 dodgy Magnum which I slung into a skip down the local tip...
Paul
Congratulation on your FAC now you can think about real cartridges filled with powder not air they are much more fun rabbits at 250 yds with a bullet that weighs only 17 grains and measures .172 @ 2560 fps
What do you mean by innocent Brocock owners? Ingnorance of the law is no defence. Belive me if the Goverment put their minds to it they will find some owners and make examples of them. It wouldn't be that hard, 6 years of records is a hell of a lot to get info from and warranty cards are even better.
By the way my friend has at the moment been give one of three special licences in the country to handle,store and export TAC guns.
As a member of a Gov agency I have unlimited access to any financial and business records and would have no trouble tracing the first owner of the gun. If the recent DVLA road tax programe of last owner is liable is used would scare many people into giving up the people they sold them on to.
I agree that not many would be caught but the poor *uggers that were would be hung out to dry just so the Gov and Chief Constable could be see to be doing something.
I really am not trying to scare people but if they really want to trust the police then by all means take your guns to the local station and I'm sure you will be treated well.
They are unregistered firearms NOT unregistered Brococks!
I had my visit last week, i was told by the FLO, Somerset & Avon constabulary would not be going on a witch hunt as there would be a large number of innocent owners who knew nothing about the change in law through no fault of there own.
And that came from the horses mouth, not rumour.
Phil FH70
I would also like to say how helpful the FLO that visited me was. I told him i had also joined a club and had just been excepted as a member, i showed him my paperwork, and said i would be applying for two rim-fire rifles.
His answer to this was, he made a phone call and then said he could do all the paper work for that as well, and it would save me money.
All he wanted was honest answers to his questions.
Phil FH70
All this dosn't really affect me, I was just concerned that many people wern't taking this seriuosly and may end up in big trouble.
I give up
Congratulations on your new FAC
Isn't it about time you contacted me regarding the conclusion of our transaction?