hi guys thanks for the replies.i forgot to say its been on a rimmy . i was a bit worried that if i took all the washers out they may not line up correctly when i put them back you see guys im brilliant at getting things apart but correct reassembly has never been my strong point which i know isnt very good as im a mechanic but it doesnt really matter because it means ive always got plenty of spare nuts and bolts left over thanks again for the replies guys. mel