In response to the "is the scope included or not" questions then, YES I have been told by BAR that the scope is included with their AR20's, not sure if it's mildot or not but if your after a cheap set-up for FT or HFT then surely for £599 complete, it's got to be hard to beat. I contemplated getting rid of the Steyr for one of these and a hunting rifle, that was until I woke up and realised i've had too many over the space of a couple of years, sticking to this now and learning it properly (need to as I shot crap in the combined clubs trophy, sorry Emley1)
Still a bargain, even with the quality issues. triggers pretty good, barrels straight and can be adjusted to fit. BARGAIN