Ok another one for you to ponder Sumatra Carbine . Agian a rifle I liked the look of the first time I saw, and has usual was told you dont want one of them mate well I got one eventually and its bloody good Accurate, powerful and have to admit the Winchester loading dose wonders for my John Wayne complex alla True Grit Yes I know its imposible with a real Winchester but hey thats accademic Mine likes the Crossman Domes in 10.5 grains and allthough I have it fitted with a Whitetail 1-5x20 its a delight to use, highly recomended by myself.