Supported Air Pistol Shooting

[I. J.]

This ere 'Supported Shooting'.

Are you allowed to open your eyes?

[mikec4]

This ere 'Supported Shooting'.

Are you allowed to open your eyes?

Why? You don't normally bother ...or follow through either ; you're too eager to use the scope to see the pellet go through the target

You can still use the beer crate to get you high enough to clear the bench I suppose.

[Rutty]

I think its a great idea to start it here in the UK, stick to the German rules and we have the basis for a new international class, I commend the idea and even suggest that it be proposed to the NSRA.

A bit behind the times. The ball was set rolling last February and there have been items about Supported Air Pistol in the last two editions of The Rifleman. The decision was taken at an early stage not to reinvent the wheel but to use the DSB rules. Obtaining a copy of these proved easier said than done. The intention is to have a demonstration event at the British Airgun Championship and I would hope that the new event and rules for it will be published with the next amendment cycle.

A word of caution to those building stands, there are laid down dimensions for them and specifications for surface finish. There are a number of pistol butt extensions already on the market, including a universal one. For more options search for "auflageplatte für luftpistolen"

A potentially interesting spin-off from Supported Air Pistol is that it may provide a new opportunity for visually impaired shooters to compete directly with sighted shooters. This is already occurring with air rifle but as the VI Target is based upon the pistol target it would be much more straightforward and could be accomplished with paper targets. Air pistols have already been fitted with acoustic sights on a trial basis. An acoustic sight in us (on a rifle) may be seen here.

Rutty

[Aimstraight]

It's good to see this initiative raised in this forum, it has clearly peaked the interest of a number of folk that may not have been aware.

[zooma]

A bit behind the times. The ball was set rolling last February and there have been items about Supported Air Pistol in the last two editions of The Rifleman.
Rutty

We know we are a bit behind the times - certainly behind the Germans - so lets do some catching up !

I have the last two issues of The Rifleman magazine - I will look again ( with magnifying glass) but apart from the possible future interest from the Disabled Shooting Project (Autumn 2014 and Winter 2014) I did not see anything too informative mentioned.

My guess is that very few people know about the "ball that was set rolling last February" so maybe this "push" on the BBS may be rather more effective in getting people actually doing something about it.

We will test the idea at RMTC next Tuesday night and would like to work to the existing German rules rather than reinventing the wheel....IF and WHEN it is possible to see them !

Does anybody know how to get a copy of these elusive German rules that have been in existence since 2011 - or maybe even earlier ?

If so - do share

[Rutty]

My guess is that very few people know about this "ball that was set rolling last February" so maybe this "push" on the BBS may be rather more effective in getting people actually doing something about it.

We will test the idea at RMTC next Tuesday night and would like to work to the existing German rules rather than reinventing the wheel....if and when it is possible to see them !

Does anybody know how to get a copy of these elusive German rules that have been in existence since 2010 ?

If so - do share

People are doing something about it and you can download a copy of the DSB Rules from their website. They are in PDF form. But there is one little problem, the file is in protected format so you cannot even cut and paste it into Google Translate or the like. Even if you do use an online translator you will find that it does't handle the technical language that the document uses. So there is just the small matter of finding a technical linguist to translate and transcribe them. Then you have to redraft the information into a format that is compatible with the NSRA Rules. Following that they will have to be approved by the PAC Committee before going to the Shooting Council.

This "push" you refer to is largely irrelevant, the information has been out there for months, all you had to do was read The Rifleman to find it. If you feel that it should be progressed in a different manner, then why not contact your county NSRA representative?

Finally, it is worth remembering that a great deal of the work associated with supported air pistol has been
carried out by volunteers. There is very little spare resource available at the NSRA so if you feel that you might be able to help you can contact the chairman of the PAC Committee who I am sure will be pleased to hear from you.
Rutty

[zooma]

People are doing something about it and you can download a copy of the DSB Rules from their website. They are in PDF form. But there is one little problem, the file is in protected format so you cannot even cut and paste it into Google Translate or the like. Even if you do use an online translator you will find that it does't handle the technical language that the document uses. So there is just the small matter of finding a technical linguist to translate and transcribe them. Then you have to redraft the information into a format that is compatible with the NSRA Rules. Following that they will have to be approved by the PAC Committee before going to the Shooting Council.

This "push" you refer to is largely irrelevant, the information has been out there for months, all you had to do was read The Rifleman to find it. If you feel that it should be progressed in a different manner, then why not contact your county NSRA representative?

Finally, it is worth remembering that a great deal of the work associated with supported air pistol has been
carried out by volunteers. There is very little spare resource available at the NSRA so if you feel that you might be able to help you can contact the chairman of the PAC Committee who I am sure will be pleased to hear from you.
Rutty

Thanks for your valuable and helpful contribution to this thread although it does come across as being a bit negative and almost resentful of people trying to make an effort to get something going rather then waiting for a governing body to do it for them.

I am sorry that you feel this "push" is largely irrelevant and you will have to excuse me for not agreeing with you at all.

Hopefully we can download the DSB rules for Senior Supported Air Pistol Shooting and find a way to understand what it says although it is regretful that the NRSRA have not already done this as it has been an active discipline in Germany since at least 2010 and is reported to be the fastest growing branch of the sport - and yet in 2015 we still have no "official" reference to Senior Supported Air Pistol Shooting or indeed any translation of the existing rules.

You refer to the great deal of work that has been done in regard to supported pistol shooting and yet the basic requirement of knowing what the rules say for Senior Supported Air Pistol Shooting has NOT been done.

If you have no idea what the actual rules are - just how much effective work has been done?

[Rutty]

Thanks for your valuable and helpful contribution to this thread although it does come across as being a bit negative and almost resentful of people trying to make an effort to get something going rather then waiting for a governing body to do it for them.

People can do whatever they like but they should be aware that the NSRA are already working on the project and it would be wise to ensure that that what they decide to do will comply with the published rules and conditions.

I am sorry that you feel this "push" is largely irrelevant and you will have to excuse me for not agreeing with you at all.

Does anyone on the Shooting Council read this? If they did would they pay any attention to it? If you want results then:

If you feel that it should be progressed in a different manner, then why not contact your county NSRA representative?

That's what they are appointed to do.

Hopefully we can download the DSB rules for Senior Supported Air Pistol Shooting and find a way to understand what it says although it is regretful that the NRSRA have not already done this

Refer to The Rifleman, Autumn 2014, Page 46, Column 3. The contact for your questions is to be found there, ask him directly.

If you have no idea what the actual rules are - just how much effective work has been done?

I have "read" the DSB Rules, in so far as my limited German will allow. What needs to happen now is that they are re-drafted to allow their insertion into the NSRA Rules. When that is done, and they are approved by our representatives (that is the county reps that we appoint) an amendment can be published and everyone will be able to sing from the same hymn sheet. It all takes time and resource. Once again, talk to your count rep. or the Chairman of the PAC Committee.

it has been an active discipline in Germany since at least 2010

As soon as it was brought to the attention of the NSRA work was started on introducing it in this country. I only became aware of it on 2014, if you knew about it earlier; as you seem to imply; then why did you not raise it then?

Rutty