Right then after a really helpful and extremely informative chat with Sean at BAR, we have decided on the following I will be saving my pennies for a little longer and I am going for around the £220 mark on the MTC (its not in stock at the moment) can't remember which one it was just now but I will update as and when, rifle wise for my dad I will be going for the HW97k thumbhole again after a great chat, don't know if your on here Sean but thanks again top service from a top crew.

Thanks to everyone for the help its greatly appreciated (and needed)

Keep safe