Hw30s appreciation society

[Hombre]

Anything bling just aint my thing...

But given the opportunity I think I could bring myself to own this little gem
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537...om-better+pics

ATB
Hombre

[gordon]

Anything bling just aint my thing...

But given the opportunity I think I could bring myself to own this little gem
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537...om-better+pics

ATB
Hombre

Now that`s a nice piece of wood

[Aimstraight]

The diopter Weihrauch supply as part of the package appears identical to the AA's/SMK/Gamo item.
It's not of the highest quality, but I've been spoilt by using FWB/Diana/Walther sights! Nonetheless it does the job, the aperture is a little small for some, its plastic and can be drilled carefully to enlarge it a little. iirc the sights iris thread is non-standard so won't accept irises from the likes of Gehmann and Centra? Not an insoluble problem.

1. I prefer the Swiss Arms version, however, a club member bought one recently and the clamp when fully closed was about 0.8mm shy of gripping the dovetails on an HW30. He's been modifying it so that it will grip and I made this little gizmo (Das DiopterKlampen) which fits between the diopter's side rails and provides a mounting point for a recoil stud. Given the clamping issue option 2 is a safer bet.

2. The AA/SMK/Gamo diopter will also need a recoil arrestor pin. The dovetail clamp is small and the sight will creep even with the low recoil from a '30. It's an easy job however to drill and tap the body on these as they are solid, an M5 Button Head socket screw (like those on the diopterklampen) gives a neat finish. File off the threads from that part which fits into the rifle's holes to stop them producing a burr.

Thank you - this is very useful information.

[Aimstraight]

Anything bling just aint my thing...

But given the opportunity I think I could bring myself to own this little gem
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537...om-better+pics

ATB
Hombre

That would not look out of place in a Bond Movie...especially with the gold coloured rifle rest

It would not put away many villains...well maybe one....if you threw it at him!

[TonyL]

So, I gave the new little 'un it's first few shots earlier......

Now, when I said that it had been barely used, that was a little porky....the previous owner, Nick, had bought it and only just removed from the packaging. He'd never even cocked it, so this is a brand new, factory fresh and virgin gun.

Thought I'd run it straight over the chrono, from the first shot, so cold and very tight.

Using Hobbies, at 7.0 grains (not weighed, just going by stated weight on tin).

First shot 651.8fps. Second shot 670.3. Only gave it twelve over the chrono, so not a long, exhaustive session, but all the next ten were between 652.4 and 668.9. So, pretty good, I thought. New, tight gun and tying in with Nick, 18 Wheeler's, results. 7ft.lbs equates to 670 with Hobbies, so bang on the money.

One of the shots was a very spooky 666.0 fps !!!!

Shooting impressions.....I've said it so many times, but it's so easy to forget how sweetly these little things shoot. We're talking brand new and tight and....wow. No discernible recoil at all. Nice, quick cycle. No twang whatsoever. Trigger very sweet ex factory with no adjustment.

Big, sweeping statement, but if you just want a quality lightweight rifle for informal targets at sensible ranges, maybe even a little HFT, maybe shorter range hunter, I believe this to be THE BEST RIFLE on the market. Such easily achievable accuracy and sweet manners. And, at the crazy prices that they can be had for, the bargain of the century.

Now, just need to decide if I'm just to whip the stock off and apply moly paste to the lever and leave it be, or to do a precautionary strip / inspect / de-burr / top hat and re-lube. Undecided because it's so sweet.

[Hsing-ee]

Now, just need to decide if I'm just to whip the stock off and apply moly paste to the lever and leave it be, or to do a precautionary strip / inspect / de-burr / top hat and re-lube. Undecided because it's so sweet.

Strip strip strip strip! The thing is still filled with an unknown quantity of Herman's goop.

Check the piston washer for the rattlesnake bite. And get those sharp edges radiussed.

You know it makes sense.

Maybe you will find it all finished and done for you at the factory, which will be good news.

[Hombre]

Hi

I'm on the cusp of buying a second HW30s in .177 as I am so impressed with the one I have.

The idea is to keep one as an ex-factory version and the new one for tuning.
That way I don't get to spoil my known gun with the unknown outcome of a tune - the nature of which yet to be decided.
As they are so cheap and incredible value for money I consider this a reasonable move.

Why tune? I just fancy seeing what it can do with a bit more velocity/range or just getting one to a state of even greater smoothness.
And of course as a backup should the one I have decide to malfunction - unlikely as that may be.
Having adopted the 30s as "the gun" I should hate to be without one now.

I'm just wondering though after reading a number of posts in this thread about the merits or otherwise of buying the second gun in .22.
It would never have occurred to me to buy a gun with this kind of modest ex-factory power in the larger calibre since it seems to negate
all of the benefits that go to make up this gun's wonderful balance of attributes, particularly as I have no need of a gun for pest control.
I haven't done the maths but assume energy levels down-range may be slightly higher with the larger calibre and of course one would guess
at a slightly smoother cycle.

My aim, as it were, is purely to enjoy lightweight, accurate plinking with a nice flat trajectory out to around thirty yards (a bit farther with the tuned gun) so am I missing something by not seriously considering the .22 other than what has been mentioned above?

ATB
Hombre

[TonyL]

Strip strip strip strip! The thing is still filled with an unknown quantity of Herman's goop.

Check the piston washer for the rattlesnake bite. And get those sharp edges radiussed.

You know it makes sense.

Maybe you will find it all finished and done for you at the factory, which will be good news.

Yep, you're right.

Just to make sure that there are no nasties lurking inside. Smooth everything off. Top hat and re-lube and job done.

[TonyL]

Hi

I'm on the cusp of buying a second HW30s in .177 as I am so impressed with the one I have.

The idea is to keep one as an ex-factory version and the new one for tuning.
That way I don't get to spoil my known gun with the unknown outcome of a tune - the nature of which yet to be decided.
As they are so cheap and incredible value for money I consider this a reasonable move.

Why tune? I just fancy seeing what it can do with a bit more velocity/range or just getting one to a state of even greater smoothness.
And of course as a backup should the one I have decide to malfunction - unlikely as that may be.
Having adopted the 30s as "the gun" I should hate to be without one now.

I'm just wondering though after reading a number of posts in this thread about the merits or otherwise of buying the second gun in .22.
It would never have occurred to me to buy a gun with this kind of modest ex-factory power in the larger calibre since it seems to negate
all of the benefits that go to make up this gun's wonderful balance of attributes, particularly as I have no need of a gun for pest control.
I haven't done the maths but assume energy levels down-range may be slightly higher with the larger calibre and of course one would guess
at a slightly smoother cycle.

My aim, as it were, is purely to enjoy lightweight, accurate plinking with a nice flat trajectory out to around thirty yards (a bit farther with the tuned gun) so am I missing something by not seriously considering the .22 other than what has been mentioned above?

ATB
Hombre

Go for it!!

It's nice to have one in each of the calibres.

As you say, muzzle energy and down range (depending on pellet / BC) will be higher with the .22. I suppose, if you're not hunting, that that wouldn't be THAT important, but it will smack those cans etc harder. Could be very interesting with a lighter round head, like the FAP.

Your only downside would be a loopier trajectory, especially with the lower power outputs of these guns, but, like anything else, you get used to it. A nice long session, testing at different ranges, plotting and getting to know the trajectory and sorted.

[18 Wheeler]

... the larger calibre since it seems to negate all of the benefits that go to make up this gun's wonderful balance of attributes...

...My aim, as it were, is purely to enjoy lightweight, accurate plinking with a nice flat trajectory out to around thirty yards (a bit farther with the tuned gun) so am I missing something by not seriously considering the .22 other than what has been mentioned above?

By way of balance to Tony's post I'd say stick with .177.

I'm in agreement with your post above and don't see any benefit for a .22 in this application.

Reasons to get a second .177:
-Cheaper to run, given the ease of putting a tin of pellets through a '30 in a single session this isn't insignificant over the rifle's life.
-One less thing to buy (ie .22 pellets). No "dammit, I've run out of .22s" moments.
-Are there any ballistic benefits for the larger calibre as a plinker? Can't think of any...
-You want to have to comparable rifles in tuned and untuned states. Having the same calibre is clearly an advantage here.
-Nice to have 2 identical rifles for some friendly competitive plinking, no ready made excuses for whoever "loses".

[CapitalBee]

I have the one .177 HW30. It came as a project (I'm guessing it had been used for cadets / scouts) and needed some parts to finish it off (cocking arm being the largest). However, the spring that came with it was not standard, it was a titan that someone had taken the bolt crop to So researching the Vortek kit, I reduced its' length (really by just finishing the end properly) and fitted a better fitting spring guide (I modified an HW77 guide). Results were good, with 8fpe in .177. Shot cycle is snappy but not recoil wise. It's the perfekt trigger, but whilst not a rekord, it's not too bad. At the same time I had another '30 with a rekord trigger and I purchased the TTI piston (with buttoning). You needed a smaller dia' spring with this upgrade as it will not take the standard, but the result was super smooth and about 7.7fpe. I sold this to Happy Harry on this site and I think he's still got it (he posted some photo's of a girlfriend of his using it for bell target. I have wondered about a .22, but to be honest, I'd prefer some thing running above 10fpe in .22, so this discounts the '30.

[Hombre]

Hi guys

Thanks for all the input.

Can't fault Wheeler's summation on this - not least because it coincides with my own rationale

Have now ordered the second 30s in.177 too so will have one as a potential tune/upgrade project
Although this will be for somebody else to carry out as I'm a shooter not a fettler.
On the other hand I just might keep the iron sights on it as the one I already have now has a small fixed power scope but was deadly accurate when it still had its irons.

Who knows?
But for £133 delivered to my door I now have some very pleasant options to choose from

ATB
Hombre

[TonyL]

Nice one Hombre.

Must admit, with reference to keeping the open sights, it's very, very tempting. With such a slim and lightweight gun, it just seems to feel so right and tactile to keep it on opens. Slim, portable and elegant.

But then my other side says, taking into account the precision and accuracy of these little gems, it's crying out for a scope for those longer range shots, but nothing too large.

One of my 99s is still on opens.

And one of my two .22 30s will remain on opens.

Helluva dilemma.....

[TonyL]

I wonder how many threads on light to medium weight rifles attract as many views / replies as HW30 ones?

[Hombre]

Big, sweeping statement, but if you just want a quality lightweight rifle for informal targets at sensible ranges, maybe even a little HFT, maybe shorter range hunter, I believe this to be THE BEST RIFLE on the market. Such easily achievable accuracy and sweet manners. And, at the crazy prices that they can be had for, the bargain of the century.

Entirely agree with this earlier post of yours Tony and yes it is very encouraging to see this thread so often popping back to the top.

My own needs and desires for an air rifle are more than adequately catered for by this gem to the extent that I could and may well find myself using nothing else - pretty much already the case. The search for perfection or at very least near and potential perfection in an air rifle is over pretty much as far as I am concerned. Leaves lots of scope to say nothing of cash for some unnecessary but enjoyable refinements perhaps. It also means no more decisions on which gun it will be today - just pick it up and go shoot.

OK maybe that does still leave a choice between ex-factory or tuned and scope or irons but that's not such an unpleasant dilemma

Perhaps it should be compulsory on some level or other that all members of this forum should own a 30s.
Controversial, provocative, Moi?

Long live the little'un
ATB
Hombre