No auto safety. Luxury!

[peteswright]

I HATE auto safety's on pistols. So when my safety switch on one of my P17's FELL OUT! I've been loving it. In fact, because its such a pleasure to use now, I decided to try to take it out on my second (spare) P17. Very easy job I found. It just leavers out using a small screwdriver and can be replaced if selling. Better still i've done it to my HW40 (same design) with no problem. Fair enough, if you can choose to use a safety as on most guns, but I was forever forgetting the dam thing after lining up the shot only to find the trigger wouldnt move! I'm not recommending this, as safety is most important but for me its taken a frustration away. I've seen the post about fettling the Buckmark so will have a go at mine. Hate em! ATB. Pete.

[Iain K D]

Levers out? surely the pin through the top front edge of the trigger guard needs tapping out after which the safety will just fall out (same basic principle, but slightly different construction on the P17 and HW40).

Anyway, yes it does make the gun much less frustrating to shoot - particularly if you're right handed.

Buckmark safety is doable, but only by filing the inner front edge of the safety catch so it isn't nudged 'on' by the cocking link.

http://s301.photobucket.com/user/Iai...k/022.jpg.html

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...20Mark/023.jpg

At least in this case it's more easily reached with your thumb, but removed you get the ability to de-cock - probably more useful when it comes to breaking open the gun for cleaning and lubing than for anything else.

Regards,

Iain

[peteswright]

Levers out? surely the pin through the top front edge of the trigger guard needs tapping out after which the safety will just fall out (same basic principle, but slightly different construction on the P17 and HW40).

Anyway, yes it does make the gun much less frustrating to shoot - particularly if you're right handed.

Buckmark safety is doable, but only by filing the inner front edge of the safety catch so it isn't nudged 'on' by the cocking link.

http://s301.photobucket.com/user/Iai...k/022.jpg.html

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...20Mark/023.jpg

At least in this case it's more easily reached with your thumb, but removed you get the ability to de-cock - probably more useful when it comes to breaking open the gun for cleaning and lubing than for anything else.

Regards,

Iain

Hi Iain. Sorry if I confused the story. What I meant was the visible slide switch on the side is what leavers out not the internal mechanism. As Im sure you know, the switch only contains a small spring and ball bearing. I leave the internals in situ. The gun functions just fine without the on off switch.
Haven't done anything with the Buckmark as I think I might have weakened the spring through overuse, or a seal somewhere is not holding up as, unless its my technique, I can sometimes see the pellet arc downwards, so its not giving consistent power output. I only paid £60 new for the gun so dont think it warrants the expense of a repair job, and I haven't any experience of respringing a springer. ATB. Pete.

[Iain K D]

As mentioned above, the differing designs of the internal actuating lever on the HW40 and Beeman P17 (or at least, my P17).

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...man10-Copy.jpg

HW40 (on the left) uses a thin steel plate, with a fancy wire spring sitting around it.

P17 has a thicker alloy casting with a coil spring set in it.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...man11-Copy.jpg

How the P17 lever works, fitting it outside the gun. As soon as the gun is opened, and the compression cylinder rises, the lever is able to rock back - forced by the spring, that is - and the right hand tip of it pushes the safety 'on'.

Bear in mind, of course, that the external button/slider of the safety catch extends further forward than it does inside the gun.

Iain

[peteswright]

As mentioned above, the differing designs of the internal actuating lever on the HW40 and Beeman P17 (or at least, my P17).

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...man10-Copy.jpg

HW40 (on the left) uses a thin steel plate, with a fancy wire spring sitting around it.

P17 has a thicker alloy casting with a coil spring set in it.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...man11-Copy.jpg

How the P17 lever works, fitting it outside the gun. As soon as the gun is opened, and the compression cylinder rises, the lever is able to rock back - forced by the spring, that is - and the right hand tip of it pushes the safety 'on'.

Bear in mind, of course, that the external button/slider of the safety catch extends further forward than it does inside the gun.

Iain

I didn't know the internals were different but my two p17's and HW40 are working fine with the on off switch removed. Thanks for the info though. ATB. Pete.

[Aimstraight]

I have now removed the auto safety cam from my HW40, so now I have a fully working manual safety

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/x...pscvjgzvmw.jpg

This was mentioned and shown in photos by Iain K D.

It took literally a couple of minutes (and will be easy to re-install as required):

- With pistol not cocked, safety ON.
- Knock pin out of forward part of trigger guard (this was not a particularly tight fit)
- Lift up top cover (not fully), place something under the cylinder to hold it up a little
- Remove the cam and spring (spring usually held in place with blob of grease), small bent nose pliers useful for this
- Close top cover
- Insert pin back in.

Manual Safety...as most other SSPs are!

[Marc.RG1]

I HATE auto safety's on pistols. So when my safety switch on one of my P17's FELL OUT! I've been loving it. In fact, because its such a pleasure to use now, I decided to try to take it out on my second (spare) P17. Very easy job I found. It just leavers out using a small screwdriver and can be replaced if selling. Better still i've done it to my HW40 (same design) with no problem. Fair enough, if you can choose to use a safety as on most guns, but I was forever forgetting the dam thing after lining up the shot only to find the trigger wouldnt move! I'm not recommending this, as safety is most important but for me its taken a frustration away. I've seen the post about fettling the Buckmark so will have a go at mine. Hate em! ATB. Pete.

lol nicely done mate, i am the same i hate auto safety on pistols and rifles, i took the auto safety off a hammerli rifle, get much more fun from it now, though i hardly ever use it as i dont like break barrel rifles lol..
The best safety and only safety you should rely on is your finger..

Happy shooting

[TenMetrePeter]

Just thought I'd resurrect an old thread, though I think I found the most recent post on the subject.
Following Iain K D's advice I converted our club HW40 to manual safety. Video below.
https://youtu.be/ntOICHAqWDg