Postage question - PF48 content

[angrybear]

How come Parcel Force deliver new PCP to me then ?.

Because the sender may have a trade account Trade have different rules to the general public.

You must also be an RFD to have a "new PCP" delivered to you, unless it was sent from abroad in which case the item was not initially posted with RM in the UK,

In that case they are acting as agents under contract to the original carrier & it is that carriers licence that covers the delivery.

[Logunner]

If you declare it as a "low powered sporting air rifle" it is on the permitted list. The definition doesn't exclude PCP's but my advice to anyone sending me a PCP with a gauge fitted is to send it empty. Pressure vessels and gas cartridges are excluded but if a bottle is screwed on to an air rifle it is classified as part of the air rifle. If bottles are to be sent separate then they should have valves removed and be declared as a flask or tube.
RFD's can send to other RFD's for FAC guns, private individuals can send to private individual or RFD only if it is a sub12 (sub6 for pistols).
If you don't declare the contents of the package it will certainly be x-rayed and sent for destruction if found to be a gun of any description, so declaring as sporting goods is not a good idea. If it has been declared as a "low powered sporting air rifle" and is damaged or lost in transit then you are able to claim but only to the minimum level of insurance (the standard shipping fee for the weight/size) which presently is only £100 so pack your gun well and declare it properly or you may not get any compensation at all if lost or damaged.
In all my years of shipping FAC guns to/from other RFD's and repaired guns back to private individuals I have had no losses or damage caused by PF48. The only gun which I have ever received in a damaged condition was posted to me by a customer who used "MyHermes" against my advice. They refused to pay any compensation saying the gun had been improperly packed and also was on their "banned goods" list so even if properly packed they would not have paid any compensation. After repair the gun was returned via PF48 with no problems.
RMSD will carry air guns but their size limits don't allow rifles, not even take down rifles sadly. Their minimum compensation level is £250 so worth considering if sending an air pistol but be sure to declare it as an air pistol (low powered sporting airgun) and you should be fine.

Do you have proof that it "will certainly be x-rayed"?

You don't, I'm sure of that...


No pressure cylinders no matter what they are attached to or part of. Please stop posting false info

[angrybear]

Do you have proof that it "will certainly be x-rayed"?

You don't, I'm sure of that...

It will be if sent RMSD by air, nothing to do with RM that's a CAA rule, all unaccompanied air freight will get an X-ray for security.

[bighit]

Because the sender may have a trade account Trade have different rules to the general public.

You must also be an RFD to have a "new PCP" delivered to you, unless it was sent from abroad in which case the item was not initially posted with RM in the UK,

In that case they are acting as agents under contract to the original carrier & it is that carriers licence that covers the delivery.

Exactly what my RFD told me regarding the diver bottle.

Diver bottles R us sends them to the RFD but the RFD can't use the same courier to send it to any one else. Different trade accounts. If faulty it's diver bottles R us that gets it sent back via THEIR account from the RFD.

Only one RFD local to me could find the couriers they use to send it for me at £40 just for carriage alone. So it never got sent.

[rancidtom]

As Angrybear said, anything going on a plane is x-rayed.

[Logunner]

As Angrybear said, anything going on a plane is x-rayed.

Angrybear knows the rules and the processes, as do I. You stated that parcels sent by pf48 will be x-rayed which is incorrect, please only post the facts.

[Rapidnick]

Pressure vessels whether full or empty are technically not permitted BUT.......if the parcel is not to be sent by air the chances of being stopped and destroyed is very small. Not zero but very small. If the pressure vessel can be removed and sent separately so much the better.

[rancidtom]

Angrybear knows the rules and the processes, as do I. You stated that parcels sent by pf48 will be x-rayed which is incorrect, please only post the facts.

Any parcel going via PF or RM may be flown unless marked as "Do not air uplift" so therefore any parcel not marked "Do not air uplift" may be x-rayed. This has been made clear to me, there is no guarantee that a parcel will not be air uplifted unless marked "Do not air uplift".
PF's terms and conditions state:
2.20 All Consignments which are transported
by air are subject to screening processes
for reasons of security. The contents
of any Consignment which is being
transported by air must be capable of
being determined by such scanners.
Where the contents of a Consignment
cannot be determined using those
scanners, then Clause 2.4 shall apply.

2.4 Parcelforce Worldwide reserves the
right to refuse, hold, cancel, postpone or
return any Consignment, the carriage of
which is prohibited by law at any time or if
such Consignment would in the opinion of
Parcelforce Worldwide be likely to cause
damage or delay to other Consignments,
goods or persons, or does not comply
with any of these Conditions of Carriage.
If Parcelforce Worldwide accepts a
Consignment not complying with this
Clause 2.4 that does not mean that
Parcelforce Worldwide has waived the
Customer’s obligations pursuant to this
sub-clause.

Those are the facts I have read on PF's website. I draw my own conclusion from this that any parcel may be scanned (x-rayed).
I don't mind if they x-ray a parcel, I have nothing to hide, I post with due regard to the terms and conditions, if PF want to x-ray for security/safety/anti-terrorism it's fine by me. I'm happy to use their service expecting my parcels to be x-rayed.

[bighit]

I know who I would trust to know the rules given that they are Ex-royal mail if I remember right and who also helped find "lost " parcels for people on here

[angrybear]

Any parcel going via PF or RM may be flown unless marked as "Do not air uplift" so therefore any parcel not marked "Do not air uplift" may be x-rayed. This has been made clear to me, there is no guarantee that a parcel will not be air uplifted unless marked "Do not air uplift".
PF's terms and conditions state:
2.20 All Consignments which are transported
by air are subject to screening processes
for reasons of security. The contents
of any Consignment which is being
transported by air must be capable of
being determined by such scanners.
Where the contents of a Consignment
cannot be determined using those
scanners, then Clause 2.4 shall apply.

2.4 Parcelforce Worldwide reserves the
right to refuse, hold, cancel, postpone or
return any Consignment, the carriage of
which is prohibited by law at any time or if
such Consignment would in the opinion of
Parcelforce Worldwide be likely to cause
damage or delay to other Consignments,
goods or persons, or does not comply
with any of these Conditions of Carriage.
If Parcelforce Worldwide accepts a
Consignment not complying with this
Clause 2.4 that does not mean that
Parcelforce Worldwide has waived the
Customer’s obligations pursuant to this
sub-clause.

Those are the facts I have read on PF's website. I draw my own conclusion from this that any parcel may be scanned (x-rayed).
I don't mind if they x-ray a parcel, I have nothing to hide, I post with due regard to the terms and conditions, if PF want to x-ray for security/safety/anti-terrorism it's fine by me. I'm happy to use their service expecting my parcels to be x-rayed.

True enough,
BUT
PF Worldwide have multiple services, Just within the UK they have 5 different services (Express9, 10, AM, 24 & 48) and the reason they state Guns to go by PF48 only is because that is a road transport service (within the mainland) as they have 48 hours to deliver, if an item is sent Express9 to be delivered by 9am the next day then quite possibly it would have to be moved by air.

Rather than draw my own conclusions I prefer to read the rules & if still unsure phone them & ask .

[rancidtom]

I read the rules and assumed that anything sent may be liable for x-ray therefore I always mark the packages as "not for air uplift", "To be signed for by addressee only" and "Do not leave with neighbour". I declare that I have sent a low power sporting air rifle (if sub12) or just an air rifle if sending an FAC to another RFD. So far I have had no damaged packages, no late deliveries and no losses so I must be doing something right. I only send via PF48 (unless it's a pistol then I may consider RMSD) so maybe none of my packages have ever been x-rayed, who knows? I have sent to N.I. using PF48 with no problems too. As I mentioned earlier I have nothing to worry about if they are x-rayed because I have declared what is in the package and complied with the rules as stated in PF and P.O's terms and conditions.

[Logunner]

Any parcel going via PF or RM may be flown unless marked as "Do not air uplift" so therefore any parcel not marked "Do not air uplift" may be x-rayed. This has been made clear to me, there is no guarantee that a parcel will not be air uplifted unless marked "Do not air uplift".
PF's terms and conditions state:
2.20 All Consignments which are transported
by air are subject to screening processes
for reasons of security. The contents
of any Consignment which is being
transported by air must be capable of
being determined by such scanners.
Where the contents of a Consignment
cannot be determined using those
scanners, then Clause 2.4 shall apply.

2.4 Parcelforce Worldwide reserves the
right to refuse, hold, cancel, postpone or
return any Consignment, the carriage of
which is prohibited by law at any time or if
such Consignment would in the opinion of
Parcelforce Worldwide be likely to cause
damage or delay to other Consignments,
goods or persons, or does not comply
with any of these Conditions of Carriage.
If Parcelforce Worldwide accepts a
Consignment not complying with this
Clause 2.4 that does not mean that
Parcelforce Worldwide has waived the
Customer’s obligations pursuant to this
sub-clause.

Those are the facts I have read on PF's website. I draw my own conclusion from this that any parcel may be scanned (x-rayed).
I don't mind if they x-ray a parcel, I have nothing to hide, I post with due regard to the terms and conditions, if PF want to x-ray for security/safety/anti-terrorism it's fine by me. I'm happy to use their service expecting my parcels to be x-rayed.

This post confirms you do not know the facts. Anyone reading your 'advice' could be mislead, anyone reading Angrybear's factual posts would be better advised.

[venoman]

Because the sender may have a trade account Trade have different rules to the general public.

You must also be an RFD to have a "new PCP" delivered to you, unless it was sent from abroad in which case the item was not initially posted with RM in the UK,

In that case they are acting as agents under contract to the original carrier & it is that carriers licence that covers the delivery.

So its nothing to do with safety its down to if the payment is right we will delivery whatever you want.

[Rich]

Maybe PF has a greater degree of confidence in RFDs that they will not send pressurised items etc.

[Logunner]

Maybe PF has a greater degree of confidence in RFDs that they will not send pressurised items etc.

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