let's talk about accuracy

[Terry D]

I would not hold your breath waiting Terry as most of these airgun Chris Kyle's never come up with the proof . They tend to go quiet then pop up when they think people have forgotten these threads.

I guess time will tell, but I am genuinely always willing to learn from those who can do what I can't.

On a broader level, I've made similar invitations to those who claim to hunt at extreme ranges with sub-12 rifles. I've also had strong criticism, along the lines of, 'just because you can't do it, it doesn't mean I can't', when I've stated that my personal hunting range limit is 45 yards, and then ONLY under perfect conditions. For 'perfect', read not a breath of wind, rested rifle, range known to the inch and me on top form. In most of my hunting, 35 yards is the max, and even that will drop as the wind rises or becomes less predictable. To date, no one has accepted my invitation to show me how they reliably take rabbits, pigeons and corvids at 50, 60, 70 yards, and even beyond. The key term, here, is 'reliably'. I'm not talking about some irresponsible fluke you paced out, once. This is about repeatable accuracy, first time, under hunting conditions.

That offer stands and it's open to anyone, with rangefinders and any stance permitted. As stated, this is a genuine offer, with no 'side' or hidden agenda. If you can do it, I'd love to see how.

Regards.

[bighit]

I guess time will tell, but I am genuinely always willing to learn from those who can do what I can't.

On a broader level, I've made similar invitations to those who claim to hunt at extreme ranges with sub-12 rifles. I've also had strong criticism, along the lines of, 'just because you can't do it, it doesn't mean I can't', when I've stated that my personal hunting range limit is 45 yards, and then ONLY under perfect conditions. For 'perfect', read not a breath of wind, rested rifle, range known to the inch and me on top form. In most of my hunting, 35 yards is the max, and even that will drop as the wind rises or becomes less predictable. To date, no one has accepted my invitation to show me how they reliably take rabbits, pigeons and corvids at 50, 60, 70 yards, and even beyond. The key term, here, is 'reliably'. I'm not talking about some irresponsible fluke you paced out, once. This is about repeatable accuracy, first time, under hunting conditions.

That offer stands and it's open to anyone, with rangefinders and any stance permitted. As stated, this is a genuine offer, with no 'side' or hidden agenda. If you can do it, I'd love to see how.

Regards.

Sorry Terry I deleted my post as i thought it was not right . but I should have left it .

yes its funny how the people that make these claims are not banging down your door to show you their Chris Kyle skills.

If they are that good then why are they not taking part and winning all the competitions ?

I remember seeing a post on here about a Youtube channel that pulls off long range kills on rabbits yet they are not that great at the shooting comps (the posters words ,not mine ).

[bobby822]

I never expected my post would upset so many people. Please don't get upset when someone says they are better.

All my good shots were made either on a sandbag or a bidpod off a bench.

My point in the original post was, modern PCPs are far more precise and accurate than the shooters.
With a good rest and in good condition (calm weather or indoor range, without any competition strss), they should be able to go through the same hole @35 yards.
Of course the correct pellet has to be found to achieve that.

As to why I'm not doing competition is becuse 1. They dont' allow me to shoot off a sandbag on a bench. 2. I don't think shooting is a proper career (don't get me wrong, shooting is perfect hobby). How many years can you shoot in competitions? You probably will retire in the mid-thirties. What do you do after that? Getting upset like some other do here when someone says they can do better groups?

I love shooting as much as most of your guys out there but I still will laugh when someone says it's a good gun cos they can do 5p group at 30 yards.

[Hsing-ee]

I never expected my post would upset so many people. Please don't get upset when someone says they are better.

As to why I'm not doing competition is becuse 1. They dont' allow me to shoot off a sandbag on a bench. 2. I don't think shooting is a proper career (don't get me wrong, shooting is perfect hobby). How many years can you shoot in competitions? You probably will retire in the mid-thirties. What do you do after that? Getting upset like some other do here when someone says they can do better groups?

I love shooting as much as most of your guys out there but I still will laugh when someone says it's a good gun cos they can do 5p group at 30 yards.

You don't think shooting is a proper 'career'? No-one shoots competitive air-rifle 'as a career'. What crazy world do you live in that you think that people shoot FT and HFT as a profession, like soccer players? Although if they did, then they would all have to retire when you entered the field.

Terry Doe started a career in journalism and publishing out of competition shooting, and others got careers in engineering out of it e.g. the Welhams, or in sales, but no-one does it as a career. You seem to be ill-informed on multiple facets of the sport.

You seen to stand somewhere between Donald Trump and Walther Mitty on the fanciful nonsense scale and this will remain the case unless you take up Terry Doe's offer to allow you to display your supernatural skills with the air-rifle.

You aren't confusing feet with yards are you?

Definition of a Walt "an ordinary often ineffectual person who indulges in fantastic daydreams of personal triumphs".

[Terry D]

I never expected my post would upset so many people. Please don't get upset when someone says they are better.

Bobby, please take this in a constructive way, because I suspect something is being lost in translation, here.

May I ask if English is your first language? Again, I'm not being sarcastic, it's a genuine question.

Regards.

[Marc.RG1]

I never expected my post would upset so many people. Please don't get upset when someone says they are better.

All my good shots were made either on a sandbag or a bidpod off a bench.

My point in the original post was, modern PCPs are far more precise and accurate than the shooters.
With a good rest and in good condition (calm weather or indoor range, without any competition strss), they should be able to go through the same hole @35 yards.
Of course the correct pellet has to be found to achieve that.

As to why I'm not doing competition is becuse 1. They dont' allow me to shoot off a sandbag on a bench. 2. I don't think shooting is a proper career (don't get me wrong, shooting is perfect hobby). How many years can you shoot in competitions? You probably will retire in the mid-thirties. What do you do after that? Getting upset like some other do here when someone says they can do better groups?

I love shooting as much as most of your guys out there but I still will laugh when someone says it's a good gun cos they can do 5p group at 30 yards.

Yeah I nearly just delete my reply too because normally I would not bite lol.. I agree not only will Bobby's post rub new shooter up the wrong way but a lot of older ones too.

But What cracks me up is when people think they are an amazing shot, then tell you they are shooting with the of the top of the range pcp rifles rested, here's another tip to improve your! Shooting skills clamp the rifle down and tie string to the trigger, then your get pellet on pellet every shot a, awesome shooting skills..

Now please guys, this is not a knock on pcp rifle shooters who shoot rested, just the people that think they are better then anyone else when really, it's the gun that's better then them.

shoot a real gun and then when your groups open up dramatically tell me what's wrong with the gun or the shooting skills or who's shooting it, Yes I shoot RS I shoot all types of guns, RS for target shooting, Airguns and airsoft for more relaxed fun target and plinking, and a bit of clay shooting too, I don't shoot pcp rifles, Not because I think there's anything wrong with them for their uses, but I myself though find them a bit boring as I don't shoot HFT or hunt, but I would not criticise something for the sake of it who use or love them.

But to Say the normal and quiet respectable 5p grouping at 25-50 yards is not good accuracy, with a springer or pcp rifle, your talking out of your behind..

ATB Marc

[rabbitwrecker]

Potential accuracy and real world accuracy are two different animals. My 99s, my old Theoben rammer too, have the capability of cutting sub-1/4" c-t-c groups all day long. Under perfect conditions, with the gods looking down on me, so can I. Can I do it all day and every day? I wish - if I could, I'd be taking Mr D up on his offer and be buying a huge trophy cabinet.
Are these rifles accurate? Very much so - but as ever, the organic component is the weakest link in the chain...

[MrGrumpy]

I guess time will tell, but I am genuinely always willing to learn from those who can do what I can't.

On a broader level, I've made similar invitations to those who claim to hunt at extreme ranges with sub-12 rifles. I've also had strong criticism, along the lines of, 'just because you can't do it, it doesn't mean I can't', when I've stated that my personal hunting range limit is 45 yards, and then ONLY under perfect conditions. For 'perfect', read not a breath of wind, rested rifle, range known to the inch and me on top form. In most of my hunting, 35 yards is the max, and even that will drop as the wind rises or becomes less predictable. To date, no one has accepted my invitation to show me how they reliably take rabbits, pigeons and corvids at 50, 60, 70 yards, and even beyond. The key term, here, is 'reliably'. I'm not talking about some irresponsible fluke you paced out, once. This is about repeatable accuracy, first time, under hunting conditions.

That offer stands and it's open to anyone, with rangefinders and any stance permitted. As stated, this is a genuine offer, with no 'side' or hidden agenda. If you can do it, I'd love to see how.

Regards.

Hey Terry Im pretty sure you know one of my good mates who comes out hunting with me now and again
You would be more than welcome to come for a hunt maybe when our mate is over
I shoot long range sub 12 and it all ties in with what you have stated
Open invite

[Terry D]

Hey Terry Im pretty sure you know one of my good mates who comes out hunting with me now and again
You would be more than welcome to come for a hunt maybe when our mate is over
I shoot long range sub 12 and it all ties in with what you have stated
Open invite

Thanks for the invitation, Mr G, although I don't quite understand your statement. Are you saying you can achieve hunting standard accuracy at extreme range, under hunting conditions? Do help a confused fellow.

[MrGrumpy]

Thanks for the invitation, Mr G, although I don't quite understand your statement. Are you saying you can achieve hunting standard accuracy at extreme range, under hunting conditions? Do help a confused fellow.

Of a fashion I have many places i shoot from a static position on my permission for shots up to 50 yards I would be prone of a bipod in perfect conditions . Several factors come into shooting at this range apart from weather i have stuck with the same two hunting rifles for over 5 years so i know them inside out . My rifle for long range is a tuned Air ranger with a bushnell elite 4.5/30x50 on adjustable mounts shooting AADiablos a set up that works perfectly , I dont shoot beyond 50 except for a bit of fun knocking 12 bore case over to about 65 yards
I use a rangefinder and have all my mil dots mapped out on my flip up lense cover . I accredit the accuracy more to the equipment than to myself as if im shooting freehand i wont shoot past 35 yards , hope that is an informative explanation as i sip my Horlicks before bed

[RustyBuzz]

Makes me laugh when people think 6mm edge to edge group at 50 yards is accurate.

When shot off-hand from a sporting standing position, maybe that's acceptable, but from a sandbag?

Sheer incompetence.

[MrGrumpy]

Makes me laugh when people think 6mm edge to edge group at 50 yards is accurate.

When shot off-hand from a sporting standing position, maybe that's acceptable, but from a sandbag?

Sheer incompetence.

what sub 12 are you shooting of a bag if a 6mm group at 50yards is inaccurate I ask because i want one !!!!!!

[RustyBuzz]

what sub 12 are you shooting of a bag if a 6mm group at 50yards is inaccurate I ask because i want one !!!!!!

Relum super tornado.

[lensman57]

what sub 12 are you shooting of a bag if a 6mm group at 50yards is inaccurate I ask because i want one !!!!!!

Perhaps he should conduct the accuracy tests.

A.G

[RichardH]

Makes me laugh when people think 6mm edge to edge group at 50 yards is accurate.

When shot off-hand from a sporting standing position, maybe that's acceptable, but from a sandbag?

Sheer incompetence.

What would you know about shootin