I brought a Hammerli Black Force 800 new for just under £80. I only brought this gun so that I didn't have to let anyone with a passing interest touch any of my cherished toys + the price was too good to be true. I don't want to like it because my brain says cheap Chinese junk but I really like this gun. Can't believe I have admitted that in the company of such knowledgeable people. My untrained eye even tells my brain that the blueing looks better than my LGV.