Originally Posted by
Muskett
Invertebrates, all living systems have a damage control report system. Heck even plants. I've got a prolapsed disc and medded up to my eyeballs to counter the pain, but what level other living systems has is well beyond my knowledge. But its not nothing. How that translates into a "bad day" then ask that organism.
The law for invertebrates gives them few rights. Nor does the Law to more sophistical animals like rats which we use some pretty nasty nerve agents on, as we do insects. Fish generally suffocate once landed on industrial fishing ships. As humans when we want something we generally get it and pretty practical and efficient than any real concern over the welfare of what we are taking.
On deer the heart lung shot is lethal but may take a good few seconds for the beast to realise its dead. Same with cutting the throat for Halal meat.
Don't get me wrong if you want to be a vegetarian or vegan go for it, just don't lecture. Its quite doable to have a healthy diet from it if supplements are used or the body has adapted sufficiently. Same goes for Eskimos Inuit who have adapted to a high meat and fat diet with little vegetable matter. i do worry that Vegans may put their children health at risk in their pursuit of lifestyle choice, because it might deny something important that a well balanced diet that includes animal stuffs might have. A good bit of liver and kidney has some super trace elements, just like fish. I want a bit of everything in my diet, including the fruit and veg.
Again, please, Vegan or vegetarian is no more ethically superior to anything else.
Lastly, when I was suckling milk from my mothers tit as a baby, I'm sure I wasn't thinking: "this animal milk fat smoothy tastes sht, can't wait until I'm old enough to go vegan".
We are running two threads here.
Think we have answered the 12ft/lbs bit.
Meat eating? Vermin control?
Vegan and Vegetarianism?? If you want to go through the list of what issues would arise if humans were vegan, then most cows, pigs, chickens, and sheep might have a say in that. Or not as they wouldn't exist. And humans might look more goat than human.