Weihrauch, Why The Tiles ?

[RichardH]

Exactly... have you not met Nick ?

I was resisting that

[landymick]

When did HW buy out BSF? I ask because I'm all but certain the 85, or R10 here, came out in 1985-6.

The MK1 HW85 was introduced in August 1986 in the UK with the first batch of HC imports landing in September.

[FPoole]

The MK1 HW85 was introduced in August 1986 in the UK with the first batch of HC imports landing in September.

Still have the old Doc Beeman catalog with the pictures. I bought my 80 in around 1984 and was just relying on an old memory.

[NickG]

I don't know what the problem is , put a little pressure on the end block, to relieve the spring tension , and they can be popped out easily using a shortened allen key, as a lever .

[T 20]

I don't know what the problem is , put a little pressure on the end block, to relieve the spring tension , and they can be popped out easily using a shortened allen key, as a lever .

But as a trained engineer, Nick, given the choice of tiles or a trigger block retained like the TX, which would you chose ?




All the best Mick

[NickG]

But as a trained engineer, Nick, given the choice of tiles or a trigger block retained like the TX, which would you chose ?




All the best Mick

Fair enough, simple is almost always best, Tx. Though the diameter of the trigger block could be a better fit, I have had them where tightening the bolt pulls the face out of square causing consistency problems , and sometimes broken guides . The lgu is better in this respect as the two pins keep it all square.

[FPoole]

Fair enough, simple is almost always best, Tx. Though the diameter of the trigger block could be a better fit, I have had them where tightening the bolt pulls the face out of square causing consistency problems , and sometimes broken guides . The lgu is better in this respect as the two pins keep it all square.

The Pro Elite approach would work on the TX. Two very precise fitting screws, one in each side of the end plug about half way. That said, I've never seen a TX plug that wasn't a good fit.

[Rickenbacker]

Isn't it because the '95 trigger block is a nasty loose-fitting cast-metal item, secured by a sloppy one sided bayonet fit, firmed up with the stupid tiles, and finished off with the trigger pins then the stock bolt.

Rather than belt and braces, it's belt, braces, and a jubilee clip.

Fantastic rifle though... at least the dovetail is in one piece.

[NickG]

The Pro Elite approach would work on the TX. Two very precise fitting screws, one in each side of the end plug about half way. That said, I've never seen a TX plug that wasn't a good fit.

All the TX's i have have a sloppy fit in the trigger block , it came to light for me when i was trying to get a skirtl ess piston design working with a fixed rear guide , when you tighten the screw the guide would cant over causing the piston to bind in the comp tube , I ended up buttoning the trigger block to address the fit.

[harry mac]

The tiles are easy to work with compared to the pain in the ar$e I experienced last night when I had to repeatedly strip and reassemble an HW30 MkII, while I tried in vain to get it to work with a "drop in" TinBum spring guide and top hat.
Once I'd got used to the tiles on my 99, it virtually flew apart.
By the time I'd stripped a reassembled the 30 4 or 5 times, trying different combinations of top hat, guide, washers, I'd almost lost the will to live.
The only thing keeping me sane was the fact that the spring compressor I'd borrowed from Unframed Dave made the process so much simpler, in fact I don't think I'd ever have got the gun back together at all if it wasn't for that.
Sash clamp now on order from Screw-Fix!

[pelletcaster]

HW30 - spring compressor needed?
You're kidding aren't you.

[TonyL]

Fair enough, simple is almost always best, Tx. Though the diameter of the trigger block could be a better fit, I have had them where tightening the bolt pulls the face out of square causing consistency problems , and sometimes broken guides . The lgu is better in this respect as the two pins keep it all square.

All the TX's i have have a sloppy fit in the trigger block , it came to light for me when i was trying to get a skirtl ess piston design working with a fixed rear guide , when you tighten the screw the guide would cant over causing the piston to bind in the comp tube , I ended up buttoning the trigger block to address the fit.

I'm glad you mentioned that, Nick. I don't have the sort of in depth experience with the TX as many others do, having only ever having stripped one - my HC - but I do view it as a potential area for improvement on the TX.

[TonyL]

Isn't it because the '95 trigger block is a nasty loose-fitting cast-metal item, secured by a sloppy one sided bayonet fit, firmed up with the stupid tiles, and finished off with the trigger pins then the stock bolt.

Rather than belt and braces, it's belt, braces, and a jubilee clip.

Fantastic rifle though... at least the dovetail is in one piece.

Very nice way of putting it, Phil.