Panorama Legal Weapon!!

[Zomboid]

Just watched the trailer on twitter.

The video shows the "S&W 44 Russian" being loaded with cartridges.

I assume then this isn't an obsolete calibre then?

Therefore it is illegal as he has bought it into the country without a licence.

Oops.

[bullbarrel]

Just watched the trailer on twitter.

The video shows the "S&W 44 Russian" being loaded with cartridges.

I assume then this isn't an obsolete calibre then?

Therefore it is illegal as he has bought it into the country without a licence.

Oops.

Their 'argument' is that the calibres are obsolete but can be made by the evil band of hand loaders who have specialist skills.

But once the ammo is made an offence occurs unless you have that ammo on your fac. And firing the gun makes it no longer a curio and needs to go on an FAC.

Enough laws. One man broke them and was prosecuted. We have enough laws.

It doesn't help that the 'expert' knob jockey from NABCO (or whatever they are called) lied to parliament and said all the components are available to buy without a license and can be sent mail order. WRONG!

[RichardH]

Just watched the trailer on twitter.

The video shows the "S&W 44 Russian" being loaded with cartridges.

I assume then this isn't an obsolete calibre then?

Therefore it is illegal as he has bought it into the country without a licence.

Oops.

.44 Russian is obsolete

It is however just another very common current cartridge slightly shortened and there lies the problem.

The other issue is if you are caught with an antique pistol as long as you haven’t got ammunition you are committing zero offences even if it’s in your pocket on the high street.

[Zomboid]

.44 Russian is obsolete

It is however just another very common current cartridge slightly shortened and there lies the problem.

The other issue is if you are caught with an antique pistol as long as you haven’t got ammunition you are committing zero offences even if it’s in your pocket on the high street.

Thanks Richard for clearing that up.

Will watch tonight.

[thisisdonald]

I just seen the ad on tv for this... it looks like the BBC storey up shite again... I have a feeling it will be so riddled with half facts and lies that it will be very painful to watch

[NW1100]

Hi. Tac
To make a complaint.
You must get the facts and the only way is to watch and record the programme so you can refer to it in cold blood so to speak, so you might need to play it back a few times.
You must then complain to the BBC in writing or email with the facts you have gathered, no emotional or flippant comments just pure facts, and make sure your facts are accurate and beyond question. (if you don't complain to the BBC first you will not get any response from the regulator OFCOM.)
If you don't get a satisfactory answer from the BBC the next step is now to complain to OFCOM the communications regulator who will investigate your complaint.
The other important thing is for as many people as possible to complain, one or two people complaining has little or no impact, several thousand complaints on the other hand will have a huge impact.

It might be worth someone, with a good knowledge of the law, to pick out the salient points and post them on this thread. We can all then put our complaints together and see how far we get.
I saw the trailer at lunchtime and it looks like more scaremongering. If I can paraphrase one quote “look there’s a bullet mold and all the bits to make ammunition”.

[tacfoley]

The facts are indisputable no matter how much weasle-wording the anti's are about it.

As I noted in my post earlier, the main component of ANY centrefire cartridge, without which it is just a lump of lead and brass, is the primer.

To LEGALLY acquire a primer, you MUST have an FAC for the type of primer you intend to buy.

I've checked on a number of websites/dealers who sell components, and to a man/woman, they all state quite clearly that while you may ORDER them by email or phone, you must collect them face-to-face after they have seen your valid FAC.

So, to acquire them in any other way is a crime, already covered by the law.

tac

[NW1100]

The facts are indisputable no matter how much weasle-wording the anti's are about it.

As I noted in my post earlier, the main component of ANY centrefire cartridge, without which it is just a lump of lead and brass, is the primer.

To LEGALLY acquire a primer, you MUST have an FAC for the type of primer you intend to buy.

I've checked on a number of websites/dealers who sell components, and to a man/woman, they all state quite clearly that while you may ORDER them by email or phone, you must collect them face-to-face after they have seen your valid FAC.

So, to acquire them in any other way is a crime, already covered by the law.

tac

Cheers tac

So we have four points that we can mention/ complain about:
Illegal for convicted criminal to purchase section 58 firearm
Illegal for convicted crime nail to posses section 58 firearm
FAC needed to purchase powder
FAC needed to purchase primers

It will be interesting to see if these points are stated clearly

If anyone else has anything to add, please feel free

[lew07]

Interesting when’s it on?

I just watched it.No attempt to address the real problem. Young black men who want to kill each other

[tacfoley]

I just watched it.No attempt to address the real problem. Young black men who want to kill each other

Yup.

tac

[craig9mm]

An FAC owner near me was convicted of selling handloaded ammunition to gangsters. Sentenced to 2 yrs out after 7 months
Where is the deterent?

[harvey_s]

I just watched it.No attempt to address the real problem. Young black men who want to kill each other

Two flaws in that statement....

#1 : "Young black men who want to kill each other" - no need for the racial slant, it's, barring the odd few, criminals killing each other.

#2 : This is not problem and its a very cheap solution to the ineffectiveness of the judiciary.

[1066]

Two flaws in that statement....

#1 : "Young black men who want to kill each other" - no need for the racial slant, it's, barring the odd few, criminals killing each other.

#2 : This is not problem and its a very cheap solution to the ineffectiveness of the judiciary.

Wasn't this the very problem with the midlands grooming gangs - Everyone pussyfooting round the real problem and pretending it's nothing to do with race?

[Turnup]

Having watched the prog, I find it disturbing that the .44 Russian cartridge is on the obsolete calibres list. Seems to be a bit of a hole in the law with some cartridges being relatively easy to fabricate from other similar cases. A muzzle loading colleague has also been known to fabricate 12 bore BP pinfire cartridges just to see if he could - they worked fine but were far too much trouble to be a worthwhile in quantity. Once again it seems that the law is a little naïve and over simplistic. I suppose given enough resource and motivation almost any cartridge could be home made.

[1066]

Having watched the prog, I find it disturbing that the .44 Russian cartridge is on the obsolete calibres list. Seems to be a bit of a hole in the law with some cartridges being relatively easy to fabricate from other similar cases. A muzzle loading colleague has also been known to fabricate 12 bore BP pinfire cartridges just to see if he could - they worked fine but were far too much trouble to be a worthwhile in quantity. Once again it seems that the law is a little naïve and over simplistic. I suppose given enough resource and motivation almost any cartridge could be home made.

A cut down .410 cartridge will fit any manner of firearms - these criminals are not interested in any sort of accuracy, if it can be physically stuffed in, no matter how loose, it's good to go. More and more regulation just moves the problem. If an antique pistol is commanding £2,500 then there's people out there who would consider the return achieved by making a batch from scratch worthwhile.