Issf competitive supported pistol and rifle

[gwyn]

Bench rest is altogether different is run to their own associations rules, and the NSRA bench rest rules are a mystery to every one, not meeting either!

Robin,if you look at the Yorkshire County Association BR rules i think you may find the source of the NSRA rules?
Don.

[JB101]

Just had a look at the Yorkshire rules & i see what you mean,however why does the NSRA make up a different set of rules compared to the international ones.To me it beggars belief in my view we should be shooting under rules that mean we can directly compare like for like results from all over the world .

ATB
James

[zooma]

Just had a look at the Yorkshire rules & i see what you mean,however why does the NSRA make up a different set of rules compared to the international ones.To me it beggars belief in my view we should be shooting under rules that mean we can directly compare like for like results from all over the world .

ATB
James

100% agree with that!

[gwyn]

100% agree with that!

I think the Yorkshire rules were in existence a long while before the NSRA BR comps.
The BR international rules are i believe for rifles using a rear support bag?
A vote among'st those interested in competing in BR at my club (in Yorkshire) was unanimous in not wanting the rear support,we tried it but found the lack of contact with the rifle was not desirable /enjoyable.
Also it could be/become a lot too specialist for people who used their light weight rifles for sporting air rifle and LWSR comps, that was the majority of us!
Don.

[zooma]

Bench Rested air rifle shooting and Supported Air Rifle Shooting are not the same discipline.

Supported Air Rifle Shooting balances the front of the rifle on a 50mm dia hard surfaced bar giving the shooter full control of the rifle - apart from not having to support the actual weight of the rifle. The bar is mounted on a stand that can be adjusted to suite the height of the rifle shooter.

The only contact between the rifle and the bar is a small tangental point formed between the top hard surface of the bar face and the hard under surface of the rifle stock. This under surface is sometimes has a hard 60mm wide (maximum) width plate temporary added the the rifle to protect the stock from being damaged by the bar but is often not an option taken and the rifle is shot in standard form.

The only "aid" this shooting method gives to the shooter is to take the weight of the rifle - but not much else.

The natural "shock absorber" provided by the human body is totally lost and so in some ways the control required is greater - or at least "different".

I thought I would mention this as many that are unaware confuse the fully supported "bench rested" discipline with the comparatively "balanced" support that Supported Air Rifle Shooting offers.

I know some have been put off of "having a go" at Supported Air Rifle Shooting as they confused the two disciplines and they do not want to loose any control of the rifle.

Supported Air Rifle Shooting (SARS) is a really good discipline that I would encourage everyone to have a go at to see for themselves what it has to offer.

SARS is not just for the aged, the young, the weak or the handicapped or infirm as some people think - - it is for everyone!

The fact that it can also encompass almost everyone of all ages and physical conditions is an added bonus that few other disciplines can offer whilst retaining full control of the rifle.

[zooma]

Supported Air Rifle Shooting is proving very popular at RMTC and we will be shooting it at 10 metres and at 6 yards for MPL use too!

[gwyn]

Supported Air Rifle Shooting (SARS) is a really good discipline that I would encourage everyone to have a go at to see for themselves what it has to offer.

SARS is not just for the aged, the young, the weak or the handicapped or infirm as some people think - - it is for everyone!

The fact that it can also encompass almost everyone of all ages and physical conditions is an added bonus that few other disciplines can offer whilst retaining full control of the rifle.[/QUOTE]
Hi Zooma, i downloaded the info off of the ISSF?site when i first heard of Supported shooting last year and discussed it at my club,and yes amongst us old fogies there were a few that would be up for trying it out.
As to who has heard of it? now that is what bugs me about our monthlies, not enough space /articles about target shooting disciplines.
At my club out of about 40 members there are only 4 who do any style of hunting,we all read the mags and dribble over the latest kit but usualy lament the poor test reports and lack of competion shooting articles,we are it seems in the minority?
With the exception of a few 10mtr shooters the rest us all use PCP or spring sporter rifles of the type the monthly's are always promoting for winter and summer postal comps.
Perhaps if the mags could give time for regular articles on the different disciplines/rules and equipment etc it could be to every ones benefit?
Don (match sec. IR&PC)

[zooma]

(QUOTE). Hi Zooma, i downloaded the info off of the ISSF?site when i first heard of Supported shooting last year and discussed it at my club,and yes amongst us old fogies there were a few that would be up for trying it out.
As to who has heard of it? now that is what bugs me about our monthlies, not enough space /articles about target shooting disciplines.
At my club out of about 40 members there are only 4 who do any style of hunting,we all read the mags and dribble over the latest kit but usualy lament the poor test reports and lack of competion shooting articles,we are it seems in the minority?
With the exception of a few 10mtr shooters the rest us all use PCP or spring sporter rifles of the type the monthly's are always promoting for winter and summer postal comps.
Perhaps if the mags could give time for regular articles on the different disciplines/rules and equipment etc it could be to every ones benefit?
Don (match sec. IR&PC)[/QUOTE]


I have had a contributor from Airgun World contact me as he wanted to see if he could get a page about SARS in the magazine.

The last I heard was that he was very keen on the idea and was going to discuss it with his Editor - maybe his editor did not give him the permission to write the article, so why not send an email or message to the Editor to let him know there is some interest in finding out a bit more about it?

Meanwhile, you would be welcome to come and have chat with us one evening at RMTC and see how we have made the supports to get started at minimal cost.

Bob.

[gwyn]

Zooma thank you for your invite, but it is something i would try but some one else would have to design and make the stands!
Thats not a cop out,for my sins i am match secretary and already spend too much time doing entries, scoring,sending of scores and posting results,it would also appear that i am the unelected buildings/maintenace man as well! so it would be up to another club member to make something,i wonder where he is??
I still fail to see why the monthlies cant give us better test reports of available kit,a lot of us do BR so i suppose that we are super critical about the accuracy test
results,we all know that all that glitters is not gold!
Gwyn.

[zooma]

Zooma thank you for your invite, but it is something i would try but some one else would have to design and make the stands!
Thats not a cop out,for my sins i am match secretary and already spend too much time doing entries, scoring,sending of scores and posting results,it would also appear that i am the unelected buildings/maintenace man as well! so it would be up to another club member to make something,i wonder where he is??
I still fail to see why the monthlies cant give us better test reports of available kit,a lot of us do BR so i suppose that we are super critical about the accuracy test
results,we all know that all that glitters is not gold!
Gwyn.

I have designed a cheap and easy to make bar holder that can be made by anyone from basic plywood (or similar) in just a few minutes - and it is what we are using now in our club!

This bar holder can then be mounted onto any decent speaker stand (or similar).

Dead easy - and cheap!

I can send you some pictures if it would help and if you do decide to come over to see us you can also see them in action - or better still - try it for yourself!

You may even like to bring somebody with you to convince that making some would hardly take-up any of his (or hers) time

[gwyn]

Zooma, thank you for the invitation, but instead of sending me a picture of your designed rest would it not be a good idea to post it on here? could reach a wider audience?
Now if our governing body or a county association were to show an interest it could become another competition? that would almost certainly attract some attention from those that have not heard about it.
Something else the monthly mags could show off? could be good for the readers and the companies that advertise their wares.
The NSRA could even do an article about it in the Target (the house magazine),but i dont hold out too much hope of that!
Don.

[zooma]

Zooma, thank you for the invitation, but instead of sending me a picture of your designed rest would it not be a good idea to post it on here? could reach a wider audience?
Now if our governing body or a county association were to show an interest it could become another competition? that would almost certainly attract some attention from those that have not heard about it.
Something else the monthly mags could show off? could be good for the readers and the companies that advertise their wares.
The NSRA could even do an article about it in the Target (the house magazine),but i dont hold out too much hope of that!
Don.

Hi Don,

I have had no luck posting pictures here on the BBS but I would be happy to send them to you (or anyone else) who is able to do so as I agree that this could help to promote SARS here on the BBS and hopefully across the UK.

It is so simple to set-up, and I have designed a very simple bar holder that anyone can knock-up at little or no cost so there is so little to risk in trying it, and so much to gain - as we have found out!

SARS is great fun and has quickly become the most enjoyed discipline in our club - no surprise it is the same in Germany!

Bob.

[zooma]

I am bumping this post to answer ongoing enquiries from those who have some interest in this "new" discipline so they can access the ISSF rules (via the link) and read the comments to date.

Our own humble MPL version of this discipline (same rules but shot at 6 yards in a postal league that is open to everyone) has just started its its second season with air rifle and its first season with air pistol.

Early days maybe, but well worth "having a go" and late entries can still be accepted now - no problem. You can enter by contacting PhatMan here on the BBS - not only for the supported series but the other free standing 6 yards MPL competitions too!

Its only a tenner to enter and we provide the 36 targets that you will need to complete the series (6 per month x 6 months).

If you can collect your targets from PhatMan or zooma thats all you pay. If you would like them to be posted then you need to add the cost of posting your targets to you as well.

[PhatMan]

Hello to All,

+1 on Zooma's posts.

We would like more chappies to get involved with the MPL competitions.

We would also like to encourage younger shooters to try these events - AmyNrLincoln has recently shot her first MPL cards, and has done well

We would encourage others who have children, who together, might like to try these disciplines.

Have fun & a good Sunday

Best regards

Russ

[zooma]

It was good to "entertain" IJ at the club last night (RMTC) and to show him our Supported shooting set-up - and ( after 8.30) we were able to reintroduce him to the classic British 6 yard distance!

As we have always found, 6 yard shooting (on the appropriate NSRA 6 yard targets) is certainly no easier than shooting at 10 meters, and represents exactly the same challenges.

Unfortunately our adjustable stands were all set too tall for Ian to reach (!) but we will adjust one to suite him when he calls again.

It was nice to have you visit us again Ian - hope to see you again soon !