Good answer Thx for your response very thorough and probably has summed up all of my questions in one go.....on paper i like both ....i suppose in real terms its good to have an alternative to a weihrauch when it comes to a springer.....my brother had to choose between an AA 410k and a HW100...pcp's i know...but very close ...he went for the 410 in the end...on weight and balence...