Ft lb for foxes?

[cliveward]

Under 50 yards, I have taken plenty of foxes with my .22 rimfire using subs. All have been headshots and the foxes drop like a sack of spuds. I don't know what power the .22 sub is making at 50 yards...but I'm sure someone can work it out for us.

Really as stated if you are going out to shoot foxes you need at least a .22 centre fire. I only use the rimfire on short range opportunities...if I'm going out to shoot foxes then I take the .243


Cheers





Clive

[Enzo]

In light of the "thou shalt not shoot foxes with air rifle" replies above, if anyone wishes to PM.. then thank you.


ATB Gordon

[Enzo]

And thanks to those who replied with practical advice..

ATB Gordon

[albrown]

Read an article the other day written by Barnes, of airgun fame, and he went boar hunting with one of his high powered jobs. Sounded like quite a hair raising experience actually. Someone had injured a boar with a rimfire\centrfire and he finished it off with two shots from 50 yrds. I wouldn't like to be relying on an airifle with 200lbs of angry muscle hutrling towards you, but then again its the energy and size of the projectile that important, NOT what fired it.I assume though he is abit eccentric
Here's the link
http://www.barnespneumatic.com/boar04.html


Alex

[echochap]

We use guns like the DAQ .308 or .50 over here to take fox and coyote (which are quite a bit bigger than fox). These guns generate well over 200 fpe and are very effective, even at longer ranges (75 yards).

However, using a .22 mag, .22 centerfire, or .17 rimfire is a much cheaper solution, and more practical if you have a serious pest problem to address.

[Lurch]

Originally posted by cliveward
I don't know what power the .22 sub is making at 50 yards...but I'm sure someone can work it out for us.

Clive, from a 24inch barrel Eley Extra Plus HP subs would deliver 83 ft/lb at that distance (factory figures via Ammo & Ballistics II).

[Shed tuner]

Originally posted by Lurch
Clive, from a 24inch barrel Eley Extra Plus HP subs would deliver 83 ft/lb at that distance (factory figures via Ammo & Ballistics II).

I'm sticking with my 100 FP at the target figure then

[Enzo]

Anyone know if the CZ's are any good? Are they RF or CF?

I know this is developing into a RF/CF topic but gonna carry on asking questions on here for now.

ATB Gordon

[Whippet.22]

The answers to those questions are 1. Yes and 2. Both. I assume the cz you are probably thinking of is the CZ 452 also known as the Brno model 2e, this is chambered in .22lr and all cz's produce good out of box accuracy. And as for the discussion on the rest of this thread, i know a gamekeeper who has with his own eyes seen someone kill a fox a 20 yards with a Weirauch springer with, as he put it ' an illegal spring jobbie in it '. And this was an instant kill with a headshot.

[Enzo]

Thanks Whippet, I saw this CZ in my local shooting shop - there were a number of stock options - one was a black ABS jobbie. Think there was an American stock and another?? Other than that I just remember the gunsmith saying they were a good entry level gun.

ATB Gordon

[Enzo]

Also he said they were subs. BTW what does LR mean?

ATB Gordon

[mikebike]

Originally posted by Enzo
Also he said they were subs. BTW what does LR mean?

ATB Gordon

LR = Long Rifle.


.22 Short
.22 Long
.22LR
.22WM

Longer case and more power for each step down......

BTW, a .22LR delivers around 120fpe. My Stealth delivers 82fpe with a 12" barrel. My goal is to take it up to 115 (using a 21" barrel) and have it on an RF-FAC! (Sweden)

[RichardH]

Foxes = 12 gauge shotgun with big shot and tight chokes > 25 yards, .22LR with subs > 50 yards, .22Mag > 120 yards, .22 Hornet > 150 yards, .222 Upwards > 300 Yards

Not convinced about .17HMR personally, I've just ordered a .223 AR15 with a match grade Walther 1-7 twist which should do the business as far away as I can group.

Note - I only use the first two on targets of opportunity the rest are a MUCH better solution, stick with Jon and his 100ft/ibs.

Perhaps a 9mm Career air rifle could go up that far but I have heard accuracy is suspect, your FLO will I suspect have less problem with a .223 than a loopy 9mm airgun.

Just my humble thoughts for the little they are usually worth.

Richard

[Baldie]

I so needed to do this at 3 am.

Quick calibre reference.... Look down to "Vermin Control" heading.

Home Office Police guidelines on calibre suitability. Look at page 77.

A screen shot of the pertinent section.

For those looking for ft/lb relationships to calibre

HTH.

[Baldie]

Don't know what's happened here, but there was a post above this one from someone called dormin who appeared to come from America. He compared our (UK) fox to a cat in size. I won't repeat the rest of what he wrote, in case his post was deleted by the mods, rather than by himself...





Our foxes are a bit larger than a cat dormin, and even if they weren't, our laws are our laws.....

This country is (generally) anti-gun. Some of what fuels this is seeing injured animals in the field. The 'sport' then becomes a 'cruel-sport'.

Soooooooooo, we have to be considered humane with our hunting. From what I can make out, heart/lung shots are quite common in America. These are (generally) much less popular over here. It might be feasable to kill a fox with a high powered air rifle, but our government bodies recommend to our Police Forces, this method is not suitable. Taking on the Police and/or more likely the RSPCA would be a VERY foolish thing to do, unnecessarily. Bit like night hunting in some/most of your States?

The URL's I posted above weren't created by me, they are part of our law. This isn't an issue over what 'can' be done, it's an issue about what is lawful, and what is ethical.