Stoeger XP4

[Geezer]

Anyone seen this new Stoeger air pistol.
Looks like a HW40/P17 rip off.
I might have been interested if they hadnt gone for those damn fibre optic sights.
Hate the things.....wreck accuracy and look crap.

Me too.

But it is "infused with our lineage of firearms expertise". (Who writes this nonsense?)

To be fair to them, all the top-cover charged SSPs are variations on the same theme: FAS, Nemesis, HW40/P17, Gamo PR14/45, AF10, Compact, HW75, etc. So I wouldn't call it a rip-off. And it looks nicer than the over-styled HW40.

[clarky]

Me too.

But it is "infused with our lineage of firearms expertise". (Who writes this nonsense?)

To be fair to them, all the top-cover charged SSPs are variations on the same theme: FAS, Nemesis, HW40/P17, Gamo PR14/45, AF10, Compact, HW75, etc. So I wouldn't call it a rip-off. And it looks nicer than the over-styled HW40.

I would agree with you Geezer ....its got the edge due to the lack of vertical lines at the muzzle and looks better for having the foresight right at the muzzle.

I recently replaced a fibre optic set up on a 40 which was annoying one of my club compardres.
Simply slipped out the fibre optics and let in some solid bespoke machined Black Delrin inserts.
The 1mm dia. Delrin for the rearsight prob best just using some black epoxy.

[gingernut]

Luddites

[Geezer]

Luddites

Old school. .

[clarky]

Old school. .

Lol...
Jokes apart if your eyes are still reasonable you will get twice the precision out of a set of regular sights.
There was an interesting article on this in Guns and Ammo which even incl the blacking out of the rear sights old time white dots for more precsion, relying on just a white spot on the foresight.

[Arthur John Smithsplease]

Looks like the Chinese made Beeman P17 , but with a nicer shaped frame.

Since it's almost certainly made in China, my guess is that that is probably what it is - a new airgun product that isn't essentially new at all.

How much is actually new these days?

[Geezer]

Lol...
Jokes apart if your eyes are still reasonable you will get twice the precision out of a set of regular sights.
There was an interesting article on this in Guns and Ammo which even incl the blacking out of the rear sights old time white dots for more precsion, relying on just a white spot on the foresight.

This is true. Dots are fine (tritium for example) but glow-sticks are not, unless the target is fairly big and fairly close and not at night.

Looks like the Chinese made Beeman P17 , but with a nicer shaped frame.

Since it's almost certainly made in China, my guess is that that is probably what it is - a new airgun product that isn't essentially new at all.

How much is actually new these days?

Not much. But that's not a new thing. Go back 30-40 years and all the top, popular, break-barrels are a lot alike. Now, the PCPs are all a lot alike. Same goes for RF, CF, shot guns....

[clarky]

Looks like the Chinese made Beeman P17 , but with a nicer shaped frame.

Since it's almost certainly made in China, my guess is that that is probably what it is - a new airgun product that isn't essentially new at all.

How much is actually new these days?

Its apparently made in Italy.....hence the styling.

[BigEars]

Looks like the Chinese made Beeman P17 , but with a nicer shaped frame.

Since it's almost certainly made in China, my guess is that that is probably what it is - a new airgun product that isn't essentially new at all.

How much is actually new these days?

The release catch certainly looks Beemanish.

[Geezer]

Me too.

But it is "infused with our lineage of firearms expertise". (Who writes this nonsense?)

To be fair to them, all the top-cover charged SSPs are variations on the same theme: FAS, Nemesis, HW40/P17, Gamo PR14/45, AF10, Compact, HW75, etc. So I wouldn't call it a rip-off. And it looks nicer than the over-styled HW40.

I see they have changed the advert blurb. It is no longer "infused". It is now "the culmination of our line game of firearms expertise". Which is a funny way of saying "this is a cheap air pistol made in China".

Kidding aside, it looks nice and is probably a good gun. Solware have some interesting offers on them - including that you can get one for £30 is you buy another gun of some type at the same time.

[mickson]

I've got one now, find the trigger has a smooth & predictable trigger, better than other clones,& has great styling only negative the usual auto safety. ...mike...

[nogolem]

Hello all from Paris, France.
I've had this Stoeger xp4 from quite a while now.
the piston is NOT the same as HW 40 and Beeman P17.

It is precise, it shoots straight, same sights.
BUT definitely a lack of power.
bullets do not obliterate the paper target correctly...
To get correct round holes in the target you need to:
1) get more power from the piston : add a 2 mm metal round (why not a coin) and glue it wih epoxy 2 composants glue to the top of the piston.
2) you have to rework the barrel entry, so that all pellets would fire
3) you have to re-shroud the end of the barrel

in a few words :
better exterior design (Italian maybe)
low quality control on the barell finish
low power piston that needs 2 mm extra to work decently.
same truglo style sights (exactly)
it is around €100 in France, but if you add the time you have to spend on it to make it work well, maybe it's not worse to buy...

HW40 is €140 in France, it is ugly but works well out of the box, without rework...
I hope you'll pardon my poor English.
greetings from Montmartre, Paris.

[Arthur John Smithsplease]

Your English is very good.

Thanks for sharing your experiences with us.

[nogolem]

Bonne année à tous les bretons !

If your trigger stays backward and does not come back after shooting, you have to add a small metal rim on the right of the trigger on the trigger axle. Please put the smooth side of the rim against the trigger.
your trigger will be smooth All the time.
in fact, the trigger is a little too narrow for the gap. With this rim (4mm If I remember but please check) the gap is filled and the trigger doesn't move lateraly anymore.
this play is very small (like one millimètre) but is enough to make it "de-rail" from its course, and then it stays back....
With the coin mod (1 euro coin) on the piston top and this small trigger mod, the Stoeger XP4 becomes a fine shooter.
It accepts Walther PZ 2X20 pistol scope (11mm dovetail) , which adds just enough weight to it ... (total becomes like 915 grammes).

Merci
Happy new year all !