HI All, there are british made guns very accurat with a buddy bottel even a air gauge on lol, and not £1300 -£1800 ,and look a lot nicer but it was the price, I found 10 or more yrs ago what rapids that was about had been well tamped with one way or another but its the price , I often wonder why thoben when bust ,and you cannot blame who took them over,atb fife