Variation going in for first BP pistol!

[tacfoley]

2. Ah, why is this? People seem to do both with 777? - 777 is NOT black powder, nor is it used in any form of MLAIC competition, which categorially states that BP only is permitted. 777 has a FAR higher flash temperature than BP - hence the name. It is not considered to be a Class 1 explosive like BP, but a flammable propellant, and can even be metered like regular nitro, according to Hodgdons loading manual

4. I have ballistic spec spectacles as my normal eyeglasses, do you mean more than that? - Nope, if they are proper ballistic spectacles, then are good for protection against the inevitable BP cap fragments.

5. No mould, I would like to cast my own or ideally get someone to cast them for me whilst I drink coffee and have a smoke. - I cast all my own bullet and ball simply because it's fun and cost-effective. Seeing the price of Pedersoli .451" ball at around £12 - 14/C just gets me annoyed - I can make them for about 1/8th of that.

[Randy Bohannon]

2. Ah, why is this? People seem to do both with 777? - 777 is NOT black powder, nor is it used in any form of MLAIC competition, which categorially states that BP only is permitted. 777 has a FAR higher flash temperature than BP - hence the name. It is not considered to be a Class 1 explosive like BP, but a flammable propellant, and can even be metered like regular nitro, according to Hodgdons loading manual

4. I have ballistic spec spectacles as my normal eyeglasses, do you mean more than that? - Nope, if they are proper ballistic spectacles, then are good for protection against the inevitable BP cap fragments.

5. No mould, I would like to cast my own or ideally get someone to cast them for me whilst I drink coffee and have a smoke. - I cast all my own bullet and ball simply because it's fun and cost-effective. Seeing the price of Pedersoli .451" ball at around £12 - 14/C just gets me annoyed - I can make them for about 1/8th of that.

1. Ok, so it's fine to use a powder flask straight into a cylinder if one is using 777?

4. Okey-dokey, I'll wear the bitch specs.

5. I have bought some casting gear and will probably give it a go, need to do some research.

Cheers guys.

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[tacfoley]

1. Ok, so it's fine to use a powder flask straight into a cylinder if one is using 777?

I don't, nor do I know anybody else who does. Get the habit of phial-loading and you won't make a dwong of yourself if and when you go elsewhere to shoot and get funny looks, at least, or a 'b*gger orf moi range'.

BP DOES go bang in a flask, a proven experience for some, one of whom posted the experience over on muzzleloadingforum.com last week. Around a quarter pound of FFg going off in your hand is quite an experience - enough, in a cannon, to send a one pound ball about half a mile.

I'm not brave enough to prove that 777 can't be ignited by a stray spark in the bottom of the chamber.

tac

[DesG]

You can buy the phials for next to nothing on the bay. Make yourself a little board with fifteen or so double rows of holes/indentations to load up with powder phial/ball. Most comps are 13 shots with ten to count though some are 15 shots. This way it's very easy to keep a track of how many you've fired. I only ever use proper BP. Kranks for playing with and the more expensive Swiss for comps and the smaller calibres.

[pnuk]

Amir, if you decide to go for 777 it's worth reading the thread here regarding safety of loads
http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread....light=Pressure

[enfield2band]

And DON'T SMOKE While handling exposed black powder.

I thought I would mention it. Just in case.

[Randy Bohannon]

And DON'T SMOKE While handling exposed black powder.

I thought I would mention it. Just in case.

Ah... yes... probably a good idea not to eh?

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[tacfoley]

Amir, if you decide to go for 777 it's worth reading the thread here regarding safety of loads
http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread....light=Pressure

An opposite reminder, Sir. Good post.

tac

[Randy Bohannon]

An opposite reminder, Sir. Good post.

tac

Apposite even Zayde...

[Randy Bohannon]

Amir, if you decide to go for 777 it's worth reading the thread here regarding safety of loads
http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread....light=Pressure

Thanks PN.


Funny you should mention that as I was recently involved in a minor kerfuffle on another forum that lead to me contacting Hodgdon themselves to find out about loading it as a BP substitute in ML pistols,

Have a look at the email I got sent back to update that very good link: https://www.full-bore.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=31288

[Rickenbacker]

Thanks PN.


Funny you should mention that as I was recently involved in a minor kerfuffle on another forum that lead to me contacting Hodgdon themselves to find out about loading it as a BP substitute in ML pistols,

Have a look at the email I got sent back to update that very good link: https://www.full-bore.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=31288

I'm not terribly happy about you going on other forums to be honest.

[Randy Bohannon]

You can buy the phials for next to nothing on the bay. Make yourself a little board with fifteen or so double rows of holes/indentations to load up with powder phial/ball. Most comps are 13 shots with ten to count though some are 15 shots. This way it's very easy to keep a track of how many you've fired. I only ever use proper BP. Kranks for playing with and the more expensive Swiss for comps and the smaller calibres.

An explosives license is a possibility for the future if i get truly hooked but for now I think I'll just play around with 777 as it's so convenient overall.

Is there much difference between Kranks' stuff and the Swiss?

[Randy Bohannon]

I don't, nor do I know anybody else who does. Get the habit of phial-loading and you won't make a dwong of yourself if and when you go elsewhere to shoot and get funny looks, at least, or a 'b*gger orf moi range'.

BP DOES go bang in a flask, a proven experience for some, one of whom posted the experience over on muzzleloadingforum.com last week. Around a quarter pound of FFg going off in your hand is quite an experience - enough, in a cannon, to send a one pound ball about half a mile.

I'm not brave enough to prove that 777 can't be ignited by a stray spark in the bottom of the chamber.

tac

Good to know the etiquette and I will do it as it makes sense, thanks Zeyda!