Of interest to everyone in the uk

[frontend loader]

but in 1969 there wasn't as many Gangta's limping around was there

[Jackel]

552721_4270605492787_933944496_n.jpg

[geoffd69]

Colorado

[wild75]

Laws and locks are for honest people. If there's a law then there is always someone somewhere thats going to break it. How many of us drive faster than 70mph on the roads?
BUT there is a massive difference between driving well within the limits of the car and some, would be hard case packing a shoota. Anyone can win an argument by poking a barrel up someones nose.



"Standing out in the rain doesnt make you hard it makes you wet!"

[short-carabine]

Laws and locks are for honest people. If there's a law then there is always someone somewhere thats going to break it. How many of us drive faster than 70mph on the roads?
BUT there is a massive difference between driving well within the limits of the car and some, would be hard case packing a shoota. Anyone can win an argument by poking a barrel up someones nose.



"Standing out in the rain doesnt make you hard it makes you wet!"

Cars are capable of more than 70mph, many drivers, depite their assertion that they are "Formula 1" material, are not . With a speed limit, drivers are able to make good judgement calls on what to do vis-a-vis other people on the road. How many deaths a year from driving? Quite a few Certainly, a massive amount more than guns are responsible for. I reckon the Ambulance services and Police view speeding as fairly serious, as they are the ones who have to scrape victims of it up afterwards.
Its just unfortunate that the law has not updated to make killing via a vehicle murder/manslaughter as appropriate.

[jetski]

Speeding does not cause crashes. driving recklessly causes crashes, but never simply breaking the speed limit.I don't really take notice of the speed limits. I drive to the conditions of the road. Sometimes driving much faster than the limit, other times much slower, and I have never had so much as a bump in my life. I've been driving since I was 17 and I'm now 34

[nimrod177]

Speeding does not cause crashes. driving recklessly causes crashes, but never simply breaking the speed limit.I don't really take notice of the speed limits. I drive to the conditions of the road. Sometimes driving much faster than the limit, other times much slower, and I have never had so much as a bump in my life. I've been driving since I was 17 and I'm now 34

what a load of rubbish. speeding does cause crashes and sometimes has absolutely nothing to do with road conditions. Outside influences other than road conditions can cause crashes. If you speed then the reaction time to outside influences reduces purely down to your ability to react to them. Your reaction time will remain the same at 50 mph to 80 mph. Your reaction to a given incident does not increase because you are going faster, on the contrary your reaction remains the same however you have less distance to react as you have traveled further. You sir, have been lucky so far. I have passed the advanced driving course and dabbled years ago in a bit of motor sport. This did not prevent two fully grown roe deer from trying to take up residence on the bonnet of my car and under the wheel of the drivers side. I was driving just below the speed limit on a dry road and perfect visibility. Those two roe deer cost me a new front wing tracking arm front grill and near heart attack. I was very lucky that nothing was coming the other way as the impact caused the vehicle to bounce across the road onto the opposite carriageway. Sorry, when i say car i was driving a big 4x4. If i had been driving a car god knows the outcome. If you keep driving much faster than the limit fine. the road conditions may be great. You may be the best driver in the world and i am sure formula one will be signing you up very soon. However even the best of the formula one guys all driving in the same direction with all their safety equipment have accidents. ask ayrton senna!

[greenman]

Speeding does not cause crashes. driving recklessly causes crashes, but never simply breaking the speed limit.I don't really take notice of the speed limits. I drive to the conditions of the road. Sometimes driving much faster than the limit, other times much slower, and I have never had so much as a bump in my life. I've been driving since I was 17 and I'm now 34

lol nuff said....i rest my case .

[buffalohump]

Speeding does not cause crashes. driving recklessly causes crashes, but never simply breaking the speed limit.I don't really take notice of the speed limits. I drive to the conditions of the road. Sometimes driving much faster than the limit, other times much slower, and I have never had so much as a bump in my life. I've been driving since I was 17 and I'm now 34

Try telling my dad that. Oh no I can't. He was killed by an idiot doing 60mph in a 40mph limit in broad daylight in dry clear conditions. Unbelievable arrogance such as this will bite you in the backside one day!

[GaleForceEight]

Speeding does not cause crashes. driving recklessly causes crashes, but never simply breaking the speed limit.I don't really take notice of the speed limits. I drive to the conditions of the road. Sometimes driving much faster than the limit, other times much slower, and I have never had so much as a bump in my life. I've been driving since I was 17 and I'm now 34

Never had so much as a bump in your life - despite seeing a whole load of them from the obviously less competent drivers than yourself, who having had to take avoiding action because they were not expecting some w***er driving much faster than the speed limits to close on them far quicker than the speed limit would have allowed and have subsequently crashed in your wake.

[Huertecilla]

BUT there is a massive difference between driving well within the limits of the car and some, would be hard case packing a shoota.

Indeed; a car lulls users in a false sense of security, packs far more Joules, kills a lót more people.

Speeding with a car is VASTLY more of a risc than owning a gun. Just do the maths on the extra Joules.

A gun furthermore is diametrically different form a car in that a gun is perceived as dangerous wherras cars are not hence the useres are fundamentally treating them differently. Cras ´provoke´ risc behaviour, guns the contrary.

Me, I have raced anything on wheels for 23 years and don´t speed on the open road; if anything I am a moving road block únder the max. The max is after all just thát; a maximum and it is ok to go a bit slower. I strongly objet to speeding motorist overtaking as those are fáctually endangering the occupants of the overtaken car.
The weight of acar x speed = adn véry few drivers are capable of controlling their vehicle if shit happens. I am yet don´t speed but I would want a live fire arm to be able to defend the home/family as law enforcement doesn´t.

Attempting to deminish crime by banning guns is like ditto drunk driving by making it more difficult for sober people to obtain a driver´s license.

[Kyoto]

Completed as requested

ATB

Ken

[Bonzo]

What good are laws when you have the blatant disregard of the law like this.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...s-kids-1857773

All the licensing, by laws etc will do nothing to protect the public.

[shellymad]

Interesting and surprising figures - thanks for sharing

shelly

[NTSOG]

G'day,

zerogravitas wrote: "Make it difficult enough to own a firearm legally and only criminals will have guns."

There was an incident a few weeks ago in NSW [Australia] when an armed thug [well known to Police] attempted to force entry into a farm house having tried the same thing a little earlier at another farm house where he was driven off by the owner wielding a 'dangerous' hockey stick. The second farmer 'subdued' the thug by displaying an unloaded rifle - he did not point the rifle at the thug. The Police confiscated the farmer's firearms in consequence.

http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/4...e-at-his-home/

It's also rather amusing that the standard Police response is to ring the emergency phone number [000 in Australia], but if one lives way out of town on a farm [as I do] the Police will never arrive in time - a rural home owner is on his own.

Jim

via Ballarat
Australia