7.3 Heritage?

[markH]

I don't understand this, why would you apply for a 7(1) certificate for a .455 webley when that caliber is on the obsolete calivbers list?

Cancel that, I remember .455 was on the list but it's on the list as "Not being on the list".......

[tacfoley]

I don't understand this, why would you apply for a 7(1) certificate for a .455 webley when that caliber is on the obsolete calivbers list?

Cancel that, I remember .455 was on the list but it's on the list as "Not being on the list".......

That makes just about as much sense as any of the rest of the application form.

tac

[Jim McArthur]

That makes just about as much sense as any of the rest of the application form.

tac

I'd guess that .450 and others are probably listed as obsolete: so they get questions about
.455 so often that they're letting you know up front that no, this one isn't lumped in with the others.

Jim

[Smokeless Coal]

I know someone with eight webleys, they are a collection. Go visit some places of herritage, museums and the like, they may have hundreds of the same gun.

What you have to realise is that the people who have them often built up an encylopedic knowledge of them, you may have one with a serial number x but also a later one just because it shows a difference in the machining marks or change of proof house or even because they dont show a difference. I keep trying to emphasise they are not held for the purpose of shooting thats just a sub topic of their appreciation and study.

[markH]

It's quite simple, if you look at the home office Obsolete calibers list they give a list of the calibers which are treated as antiques, they also give a list of old guns "Which should not benefit from exemption as antiques". The .455 is on the second list.... thereby they are "on the list that is not on the list"

http://www.david-squires.org.uk/Antiques.htm

[tacfoley]

It's quite simple, if you look at the home office Obsolete calibers list they give a list of the calibers which are treated as antiques, they also give a list of old guns "Which should not benefit from exemption as antiques". The .455 is on the second list.... thereby they are "on the list that is not on the list"

http://www.david-squires.org.uk/Antiques.htm

Pardon me for sounding like a complete plork, but wouldn't it have been easier not to mention them at all in the document? The very omission of this calibre from the Obsolete Calibre list should tell you all you need to know, rather than the yesnoyesitisn't attempt at even more issue-clouding.

Sigh....

tac

[Jim McArthur]

OK, now: to clarify or confuse even further:

Section 7.3, you can shoot, but only at certain clubs designated as permissible for the purpose, and under a lot of restrictions. 7.3 pistols, and ammo suitable for same, must be stored at such a club. Correct?

Whereas 7.1, you're not allowed to shoot, but they can be kept at your home. Correct?

But then, I've also heard that 7.3 is for pistols for which ammo is commercially available, and 7.1 is for those for which ammo is not commercially available. (?)

This makes sense. But then, there's also Section 58, for obsolete calibers.

So my question is: what's the difference between Section 58, obsolete caliber, vs. Section 7.1, ammo is not commercially available?

Jim

[tacfoley]

...you may have one with a serial number x but also a later one just because it shows a difference in the machining marks or change of proof house or even because they dont show a difference.

That's a very interesting concept there, Mr Coal - 'My collection is of extreme historical interest because all the guns in it are exactly the same'.

That's a reason to collect historically significant handguns that I must admit had thus far escaped me utterly.

tac