how long to wait for airgun in post

[DJP]

True, it only matters what the payment was for if PayPal look into the original intention of the payment, in which case they could wash their hands of it.


In the meantime we'll just have to wait and see.

An interesting line of reasoning DJP. Are you a lawyer?

But the item was advertised as a firearm and the intention was to buy a firearm so it does matter

Yebbut, do PooPal's conditions apply to intentions or actual things?

If the latter, and there is no tangible property (ie no actual firearm) then their conditions are irrelevant.

I would suggest.

[RobF]

Yebbut, do PooPal's conditions apply to intentions or actual things?

If the latter, and there is no tangible property (ie no actual firearm) then their conditions are irrelevant.

I would suggest.

As far as Paypal is concerned the transaction is complete. Their duty was to send a monies for an advert for an item which goes against the terms of how their service is to be used (transferring money). It could be for thin air, doesn't matter its use of the service not the end result.

[DJP]

As far as Paypal is concerned the transaction is complete. Their duty was to send a monies for an advert for an item which goes against the terms of how their service is to be used (transferring money). It could be for thin air, doesn't matter its use of the service not the end result.

Not so fast, Batman...

"What is PayPal’s policy on transactions that involve firearms?

We don’t allow PayPal members to buy or sell any kind of firearm, whether it’s in working order or not. The same goes for certain firearm parts and ammunition."

So both sides of the transaction are contrary to their Ts & Cs.

I would therefore suggest that they would have to cancel the entire transaction and return the money to the buyer to remain compliant with their own Ts & Cs.

Just sayin'.

[Aimstraight]

Whilst both parties may have contravened PP T&C's with the result that they may wash their hands of the transaction, it has to be said that if one party has paid money in good faith, and the other has failed to dispatch the goods, then it should be very obvious to them who is really at fault. It should not be too difficult for them to make a chargeback to demonstrate that failure to dispatch goods is simply not acceptable....on the other hand they may not wish to be seen to be condoning airgun sales.

[robs5230]

I've been reading this with interest as I buy most of my guns used, mainly by distance purchases.

Regardless of the method of payment, the seller would have probably scammed a buyer whatever.

I see no particular safety in paying by bank transfer either, as it has similar risks.
Banks are most unhelpful. You transfer money, job done in their mind.

Every now and again someone gets shafted and its a real shame. The law seems to be able to do little and the buyer frequently gets no recompense.

Other than buying from known members on here (and even that can be risky at times as you never know anyone's financial position), if buying from freeads or other less controlled forums, I'll often ask for a pic of the seller's driving license. Not foolproof but a little extra insurance.

I do use paypal but never refer to what I'm buying. If I know the seller, I may use the F&F, if not I buy as purchase and pay the extra for the fees. If goods do not arrive, I would approach paypal and just state goods never arrived. I'd hope that would generate a refund. If paypal asked what I'd bought it certainly wouldn't be anything referring to guns.

I'm aware in the op's case, the seller had linked his paypal to freeads and thats the way the buyer paid. I've never paid that way and never will.

I'd tackle the freeads thing with plod as a seperate entity after getting a refund (or not).
I reckon there's more chance of a refund this way than by using bank transfer.

Its another eye opening reminder of the dangers of doing deals at distance.

Hope things work out.

[RobF]

Not so fast, Batman...

"What is PayPal’s policy on transactions that involve firearms?

We don’t allow PayPal members to buy or sell any kind of firearm, whether it’s in working order or not. The same goes for certain firearm parts and ammunition."

So both sides of the transaction are contrary to their Ts & Cs.

I would therefore suggest that they would have to cancel the entire transaction and return the money to the buyer to remain compliant with their own Ts & Cs.

Just sayin'.

Buy or sell not buy and...

One party bought. The other didn’t. That’s against the terms because they used the transaction for that purpose.

Now if PayPal give his money back that would be great but having dealt with PayPal over the very same problem (albeit done on and not a gun) I can tell you the first thing they do is check the items against the terms. Luckily for the £2500 out of my pocket my item was covered. But they will try and wriggle as much as possible.

Tell you what, if you are so certain, cough for a small claim against PayPal should they not refund.

[secretagentmole]

Not so fast, Batman...

"What is PayPal’s policy on transactions that involve firearms?

We don’t allow PayPal members to buy or sell any kind of firearm, whether it’s in working order or not. The same goes for certain firearm parts and ammunition."

So both sides of the transaction are contrary to their Ts & Cs.

I would therefore suggest that they would have to cancel the entire transaction and return the money to the buyer to remain compliant with their own Ts & Cs.

Just sayin'.

But you can use Paypal to pay for air rifle pellets..... They allow Sundon Models to retail pellets using Paypal as a payment method and Eblag allows the retail of air rifle pellets, consistent they are not!

[AdeC]

You could try doing a chargeback
https://www.paypal.com/uk/selfhelp/a...t-one--faq2036

[Anothermiss]

But you can use Paypal to pay for air rifle pellets..... They allow Sundon Models to retail pellets using Paypal as a payment method and Eblag allows the retail of air rifle pellets, consistent they are not!

And I bet everyone here is applying the UK legal definition of firearms to the PayPal rules.... Considering its a civil argument, PayPal could apply their own interpretation of "firearms or certain parts"., sure it could be argued in a small claims court but PayPal would win the argument.

[bcham]

thanks for all the good advice i received on here, i got my money refunded in full from paypal as i expected,

[grieva]

Great, pleased to hear it, best of luck with future transactions,Stuart.

[bhodge]

thanks for all the good advice i received on here, i got my money refunded in full from paypal as i expected,

Result, glad it all turned out ok in the end....