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If the Defiant range were so good and better than H&Ns own pellets why sell up.
I'm not sure I've heard that may good things about them and definitely remember how s*~t Prometheus pellets were.
If they really were good is this another example of British manufacturer's asset striping their own companies and not bothering to invest in their own products.
Johnj
Webley Excel, Webley Tomahawk, Air arms khamsin, Air arms Pro Sport, Bam B26-2, Bam B45-3, BSA Mercury, Sharp Innova (licenced Indonesian version).
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Was there not a listing on the bay a few weeks ago for a complete pellet production machine? I seem to remember it being sold by a car breaker in Wigan with a bit of a reputation for selling junk at high prices.
I wonder where that machinery came from and what brand it made. The listing stated it was complete and included dies. He wanted a good few grand for the set up.
Even better looking than a HW35
I'm very surprised someone like JSB don't make some 5.56 pellets.
Pete
Far too many rifles to list now, all mainly British but the odd pesky foreigner has snuck in
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there certainly is a big hole in the market...
Originally Posted by look no hands
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No it's not an example of a British manufacturer asset stripping etc.... The company has been in business since the 70's. The owner is 80, and as already explained the engineer retired at 90.
Are you likely to still be working flat out at 80 or 90 years of age? Will you even still be alive at that age? Does that answer your query? How much further investment does your company need when you've been at it successfully for 37 years or so, having sold millions of pellets all around the world?
The original steel headed Prometheus were indeed not particularly accurate, especially by modern standards, buy by god they did penetrate well and that is what shooters demanded then.
No one ever went into a gunshop then to ask, "What is the most accurate air rifle you sell?", it was always, "What is the most pow'r full airgun you got ?" If the pellet went one inch into a piece of pine they were happy. You satisfy your market!
At one point the BBC news had a feature showing how a Prometheus pellet had shot a hole in a dustbin lid, and decried the pellet saying how disgusting it was that they should be on sale!
From that point on sales boomed and it was hardly necessary to ever advertise it!
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Chris,
Nice to see you posting on here.
The original plastic-bodied Prometheus were really pretty poor, apart from the galvanised dustbin test.
As you suggest, at the time, penetration was prized by some over accuracy. Same could be said for the awful Sussex Sabo, the Titan Black (was that made by Pax?) or the Champion Ballistic.
To other posters:
The market now for oversize .22” pellets is tiny. They aren’t coming back. Even Defiant Vintage were a niche product at a high price. If you are a manufacturer, why divert production to sell to a small number of mostly British vintage enthusiasts, as opposed to churning out nominal 5.5 pellets?
And it doesn’t matter. There are plenty of “5.5” pellets that work fine in “5.6” barrels. Especially given that most “5.6” rifles these days are used sparingly as plinkers, ratters, or nostalgic range guns.
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Yeah remember John darling and Terry Doe and all the other greats swearing by them because no one cared about accuracy back then did they.
So the engineer retired, do all businesses shut down the department's where employees retire?
No I think you would just replace that member of staff.
I don't see how the owners age really matters but thank you for worrying about my health and making it to that age, which I will thank you, and worrying about my finances but there is no need I have been mortgage and dept free since my thirties and work when I wish to.
Next time I make a comment I'll load it with Prometheus pellets so they don't hit any nerves or anything else for that matter!!!!!
All that said I am sorry if I offended with my first post.
Regards,
Johnj.
Webley Excel, Webley Tomahawk, Air arms khamsin, Air arms Pro Sport, Bam B26-2, Bam B45-3, BSA Mercury, Sharp Innova (licenced Indonesian version).
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Just unearthed a full tin of Webley G.P. .22/5.6 mm pellets,black tin with red lettering made by Eley. Now are these pellets the same as the Eley Wasp pellets.
They look similar apart from the fact the wasp pellets have a much denser interior than the Webley. I have not weighed them to see if any difference in weight my scales are not available at the moment. I have sold a few of these Webley tins in the past .177 and the .22 probably to cheap thinking about it. Any ideas.
Roly.
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