Lincoln Jeffries air pistol

[ccdjg]

Good points Chris, although I don't think the fact that the gun is packed in broken down form is necessarily a negative as the Lincoln was designed to be broken down and reassembled easily. Also, if you think about of it, a box that would take the intact pistol would be massive with a lot of empty space.

I can't understand why the label is so faded compared to the general box condition. It's amost as though someone has had a go with felt tip pens and then left it in the sun to "age". Labels are always printed with pigment inks which do not fade anywhere near as easily as pen inks.

[Abasmajor]

Good points Chris, although I don't think the fact that the gun is packed in broken down form is necessarily a negative as the Lincoln was designed to be broken down and reassembled easily. Also, if you think about of it, a box that would take the intact pistol would be massive with a lot of empty space.

I can't understand why the label is so faded compared to the general box condition. It's amost as though someone has had a go with felt tip pens and then left it in the sun to "age". Labels are always printed with pigment inks which do not fade anywhere near as easily as pen inks.

I now remember seeing a boxed Lincoln 'Scout' air pistol with a label very similar in style to that pictured. If anyone has a boxed 'Scout', perhaps they could let us see a picture to confirm or refute my aging memory.

Regards
Brian

[Garvin]

I now remember seeing a boxed Lincoln 'Scout' air pistol with a label very similar in style to that pictured. If anyone has a boxed 'Scout', perhaps they could let us see a picture to confirm or refute my aging memory.

Regards
Brian

You're probably thinking of this, Brian, and I'm pretty sure it's not genuine.

[Abasmajor]

You're probably thinking of this, Brian, and I'm pretty sure it's not genuine.

Hello Danny

A search through my reference sources has now identified the source as coming from a book relating to Gat air pistols by Malcolm Atkins (no relation to JA). The box featured in the book does look very similar to the one in the gallery.

Regards
Brian

[ccdjg]

You're probably thinking of this, Brian, and I'm pretty sure it's not genuine.

The Scout box is as much a mystery as the Lincoln’s. The only box I have come across was first shown (interior only) in John Atkins’ Airgunner article of May, 2000. When the box pictured in the Gallery appeared, from a different source, close examination showed that it was definitely the same box as the one in Airgunner. Like the so-called Lincoln box, the label is set in the centre of the box and badly faded. Does this provide evidence that the Lincoln box may be genuine after all, or are we dealing with two made-up boxes?
I do know that the box pictured in Malcolm Atkins' book is the same one.

I would be very interested to know why you think the Scout box may be fake, Danny?
Regards,
John

[Garvin]

The Scout box is as much a mystery as the Lincoln’s. The only box I have come across was first shown (interior only) in John Atkins’ Airgunner article of May, 2000. When the box pictured in the Gallery appeared, from a different source, close examination showed that it was definitely the same box as the one in Airgunner. Like the so-called Lincoln box, the label is set in the centre of the box and badly faded. Does this provide evidence that the Lincoln box may be genuine after all, or are we dealing with two made-up boxes?

I would be very interested to know why you think the Scout box may be fake, Danny.
Regards,
John

John I think the box label is a cropped copy of part of the accompanying advert - it's possible that the makers used the same artwork for the two, but it makes me skeptical.

[ccdjg]

John I think the box label is a cropped copy of part of the accompanying advert - it's possible that the makers used the same artwork for the two, but it makes me skeptical.

Yes, I can see what you mean. However, the owner back in 2000 infomed me that the box label was coloured with a yellow backgound and blue and black lettering and artwork. The leaflet in the box is obviously monochrome. There does seem to be some residual colour on the label pictured in the Gallery, although it is badly faded.

I think the jury is still out on this. Either some people have been busy with Photoshop or felt tip pens and both boxes are not right, or Lincoln Jeffries used a very cheapskate printers for his box labels! I would love the chance to examine both boxes in the flesh.

[Garvin]

Yes, I can see what you mean. However, the owner back in 2000 infomed me that the box label was coloured with a yellow backgound and blue and black lettering and artwork. The leaflet in the box is obviously monochrome. There does seem to be some residual colour on the label pictured in the Gallery, although it is badly faded.

I think the jury is still out on this. Either some people have been busy with Photoshop or felt tip pens and both boxes are not right, or Lincoln Jeffries used a very cheapskate printers for his box labels! I would love the chance to examine both boxes in the flesh.

As you say, the jury is still out. I've just remembered that whoever gave me this pic said it was not original, which is why I was convinced earlier - not from my observations, although my memory is sketchy. He may have been wrong...

[micky2]

You're probably thinking of this, Brian, and I'm pretty sure it's not genuine.

Hi Danny is that the same one that is in the encylopedia of air pistols.

[ccdjg]

Hi Danny is that the same one that is in the encylopedia of air pistols.

I can answer that one for you Micky. It is the same box, but I must admit that I had to Photoshop the image drastically as I only had a very poor picture and the label was very indistinct. So the result was more of a representation than the real thing.

[micky2]

I can answer that one for you Micky. It is the same box, but I must admit that I had to Photoshop the image drastically as I only had a very poor picture and the label was very indistinct. So the result was more of a representation than the real thing.

Hi thank you for comfirming that it is the same box. l thought that it might be.