Lightweight cylinder HW 100 carbine recommendation

[Luftgewehr100]

Thanks for the replies.

Nobody here having experience with the Fenton and Rat Works cylinders?
I don't want to spend more than 200/250 quids for titanium or V-Mach tubes...

[Goatofmendez]

Thanks for the replies.

Nobody here having experience with the Fenton and Rat Works cylinders?
I don't want to spend more than 200/250 quids for titanium or V-Mach tubes...

The actual tube from HW100TUNING is actually only £160 for a carbine, when you start getting the in tube reg etc it's more money and the one that split is one of the suppliers you mention.

[mdunn]

what was the make of the tube that split and who sold it. atb mick

[Luftgewehr100]

The actual tube from HW100TUNING is actually only £160 for
a carbine, when you start getting the in tube reg etc it's more money and the one that split is one
of the suppliers you mention.

Look at option 2 on their site and there is £220 which I don't want to spend for just 400g less weight.
Sorry to hear about a cylinder splitting...not funny at all.

I was interested in buying the A&M cylinder offered in the sales section but 4 years old an no valve
fitted so I better add 20 quids and get a brandnew one with warranty...

That's why I asked for Your experiences with the aftermarket cylinders :-)

[Jonjon79]

A failsafe? It's much easier to put a destruction valve in rather than loose the whole cylinder.

That's just an excuse for poor quality material that's overstressed.

He might be really helpful, but I've seen some of his work on guns and barrels first hand.

I can only speak as I find and, I've always been happy with his products and the service received.

[I. J.]

we all know which auction site you refer to, but that needs much more facts to verify the above comments, where bought exactly,an make, an any more info.(even it it is "my mate made it in the shed")

As stated - it was a club member and friend. It was sold 'as new' and tested and certainly not a mate in a shed. The site was e#bay.

The guy who had it was selling on e#ay and said it was never over filled. Only had it 18 months.

The one I mentioned failed at 150 BAR on the FIRST fill.

[Rob2hook]

The pic of a crack across the thread is quite typical of aluminium failure under pressure. The split cylinder looks more like a welded seam having failed - and pressure vessels should be made from seamless tube or machined from solid. Aluminium is a material that is prone to having dislocations in its structure. Eliminating them requires expensive manufacturing methods all of which could be of no value if you then draw it out into a tube, a process which puts the bulk material under severe stress.

Steel handles the whole manufacturing process much better and from what I have read so does titanium.

Musing on this, I can't he;lp but wonder whether the ideal would be a hybrid tube, but that would be prohibitively expensive as pressure welding the inner and outer tubes together would require an explosion within a mould. Many ships and luxury yachts have steel hulls for strength and aluminium superstructure to reduce top hamper (weight). The interface between the two is a bi-metallic strip of steel/ali bonded by explosives. This dramatically reduces corrosion of the aluminium against the steel.

Rob.

[spartan]

Well looking at that picture, it's quite obvious that that cylinder as not been tested, as the law stands any pressure vessel holding less than 500cc, does not require testing, hence that rubbish, proper alloy pressure tube is as expensive as titanium, so i very much doubt at those prices its made from the correct grade tube, probably standard run of the mill seamless alloy tube at a tenner a metre, what some people will do to make a quick buck.

I can assure you that that's not a safety feature, if designed as a safety feature it would bulge at the front where the o ring seals, extruding the o ring and releasing the air, as the air arms range are designed to do if there over pressurised, but looking at that the o ring seals at the rear of the plug, so impossible to have any type of safety feature built in, all in all stick to steel or titanium cylinders.

[Bladerunner too]

As stated - it was a club member and friend. It was sold 'as new' and tested and certainly not a mate in a shed. The site was e#bay.



The one I mentioned failed at 150 BAR on the FIRST fill.

Your info is still a little vague if you don`t mind me saying, in the interest of safety could you not put up a link or the seller, i`m sure if that was my purchase i would as i wouldnt want someone to be injured,

[I. J.]

Your info is still a little vague if you don`t mind me saying, in the interest of safety could you not put up a link or the seller, i`m sure if that was my purchase i would as i wouldnt want someone to be injured,

I dont mind you saying. and it is vague.
If it was MY cylinder I would be screaming from the tops of the roofs but it wasn't. It was a well established and very regular club members who is also a friend and very trustworthy. He is also not a member of this or any other internet gun forum.
All I am saying is beware of cheap cylinders purchased new off e#ay.

[hareng]

Your info is still a little vague if you don`t mind me saying, in the interest of safety could you not put up a link or the seller, i`m sure if that was my purchase i would as i wouldnt want someone to be injured,

Quite right they should be hung drawn and quartered.
Not only the user injured but also everyone else around in the car or out.

[GrahamHenderson]

Thanks for the replies.

Nobody here having experience with the Fenton and Rat Works cylinders?
I don't want to spend more than 200/250 quids for titanium or V-Mach tubes...

as far as i am aware the V-Mach tubes are not for carbines

[rgc_swanseaARC]

I know I have already posted my opinion.... But, an extra £50 or £100,even if it means waiting a bit and saving, or option 2, no hand..... There is only one answer!

The titanium tube is vastly superior to the others, handled over 700 bar without exploding, some of the aluminium ones are going pop at sub 200 bar... Its not worth the risk in my opinion.