New pcp, when is it not good enough ?

[tinbum]

As a minimum for a hunting gun I would expect ten shots covered by a ten pence piece at 30 yards. That's rested, in perfect/indoor conditions with it's preferred pellet. I would expect more, but if it couldn't do that it would be going back.

[Jesim1]

Realistically I'd expect 10 shots within a 5p at 30m rested indoors - outdoor testing is harder to gauge, and you also have to give leeway for pellets and shooters skill - so there is a big variable that one shooter could have that another with a bit of time and patience could halve the group size of

I'm certain there is not an "industry standard", and I think you have to judge a £2k target rifle different from an S400 - although in good examples you may struggle to tell the difference - but the way the law works regarding "fit for purpose" is that it does take price for quality and performance into consideration - if you bought a Stoeger and came last in every bench rest comp you entered, then the law would say - that is probably what you should expect give the quality and price of the gun, and that would be acceptable for an average shooter.

James

[angrybear]

I would expect a new PCP on a shooting rest, so no human interference, to shoot a single ragged hole something between 5p & 1p size on an indoor range at 25yds.

[Gareth W-B]

I would expect a new PCP on a shooting rest, so no human interference, to shoot a single ragged hole something between 5p & 1p size on an indoor range at 25yds.

Agreed, although as said above, sub 12ft.lb (and in .177), I would expect that at 35 yards (but would maybe wear 25 or 30 yards if in .22).

[jps norton]

I know what I’d expect as an acceptable group size at a given distance but I wonder what the various air rifle manufacturers would class as acceptable?

[32:1]

I know what I’d expect as an acceptable group size at a given distance but I wonder what the various air rifle manufacturers would class as acceptable?

My point indeed Lee, how bad does it have to group before its deemed faulty ?

Pherhaps there should be a recognised test ?

[Geezer]

My point indeed Lee, how bad does it have to group before its deemed faulty ?

Pherhaps there should be a recognised test ?

Setting aside the vagaries of shooter, scope and pellets, (and how many shots in a group, as more shots = bigger groups) I can’t imagine an “industry standard” that applied to anything from a budget Chinese rifle (£250) to a high-end FT or 10M job (£2000+).

A lot of users (plinkers, barn hunters) of the former would be happy with 20-25mm at 30M (though I wouldn’t). The owners of the expensive stuff would want those figures at least halved, probably less.

[PCPShooter]

I know what I’d expect as an acceptable group size at a given distance but I wonder what the various air rifle manufacturers would class as acceptable?

I'd be interested to hear what Hull cartridge / HW say on that

[Spitzer]

Hey Geezer, the budget Chinese rifle (£250 )... would that be one of the new CHIANA pcp's

[Geezer]

I'd be interested to hear what Hull cartridge / HW say on that

Judging from various posts over the years, many of the importers/wholesalers (not just HC, plague be upon them) will start by denying there is a problem, then if pressed say they’ve fixed the problem when they haven’t really and if further pressed finally fix it or replace/refund. Not all, but many.

The sort of customer service that guarantees they lose a long-term customer in the service of preserving short-term profit.

[tomdavies9]

Perhaps I’m over critical of my equipment here, but in the “perfect” scenarios described I would expect at my zero ranges (which are 35yard for .177 and 30yard for .22 at 12ft/lbs) all shots in the same place. A PCP is recoiless and in its sweet spot should be more than capable of that consistency.

Any thing wild of the mark that couldn’t be put down to pellet performance or my user error (which is more than I care to admit ) wouldn’t sit well with me.

[bozzer]

Perhaps I’m over critical of my equipment here, but in the “perfect” scenarios described I would expect at my zero ranges (which are 35yard for .177 and 30yard for .22 at 12ft/lbs) all shots in the same place.

What place ... Selby?

[Gareth W-B]

As a minimum for a hunting gun I would expect ten shots covered by a ten pence piece at 30 yards. That's rested, in perfect/indoor conditions with it's preferred pellet. I would expect more, but if it couldn't do that it would be going back.

This, sort of, except I would expect the ten shot grouping to be covered by a current British 1p piece at 35yards (my preferred zeroing distance), as my very basic, standard, single shot .177 BSA Scorpion PCP air rifle delivers. Fwiw, I also expect -- and recieve -- the same level of accuracy from my .177 Air Arms TX200HC springer, and would view any PCP which can not achieve this, as not being fit for purpose (and cr@p) ...