Sterling airguns

[sandyman1963]

Tony Belas is now back at Daystate too.
Llisten to Tony here https://youtu.be/NSs1QoQTa3I?t=2514

He never thought it would get built . looks like he was right .

Another Graham Trim airgun that goes no where like the Webley Paradigm.

A shame they went tits up I liked the look of what they were trying to produce. Surprised that TBb said that after all I’m sure he was happy taking their money when working for them.

[MartynB]

A shame they went tits up I liked the look of what they were trying to produce. Surprised that TBb said that after all I’m sure he was happy taking their money when working for them.

Agreed, the Webley Service copy looked very nice and PCP also though I gather prices were way up there

[WILBA]

Agreed, the Webley Service copy looked very nice and PCP also though I gather prices were way up there

The prices were silly money. They were asking £1400-£1500 for basically a park rh93 copy. Although it was fitted with a gas ram and not springs as per the park, but still that is just silly money for a springer when you are getting close to daystate sort of money. And their prices are stupid as we all know!

[Rapidnick]

The prices were silly money. They were asking £1400-£1500 for basically a park rh93 copy. Although it was fitted with a gas ram and not springs as per the park, but still that is just silly money for a springer when you are getting close to daystate sort of money. And their prices are stupid as we all know!

I sort of understand your point about price BUT--and it is a very big BUT-the way Whiscombe prices have gone since John packed up has made people think that maybe the right price for 'quality and quirky' is higher than the market thinks at present.
Also how much would you expect to pay for a Venom Varminter/Mamba etc and I don't need to remind you that they are based around a standard platform? I think there would be considerable demand for a high end self powered air rifle be it a single stroke pneumatic, gas ram or spring powered. After all (relatively) plain and simple PCP designs sell for over a grand these days and there is something special about a rifle being self powered rather than relying on a compressed air source.

[WILBA]

I sort of understand your point about price BUT--and it is a very big BUT-the way Whiscombe prices have gone since John packed up has made people think that maybe the right price for 'quality and quirky' is higher than the market thinks at present.
Also how much would you expect to pay for a Venom Varminter/Mamba etc and I don't need to remind you that they are based around a standard platform? I think there would be considerable demand for a high end self powered air rifle be it a single stroke pneumatic, gas ram or spring powered. After all (relatively) plain and simple PCP designs sell for over a grand these days and there is something special about a rifle being self powered rather than relying on a compressed air source.

then why is my park only worth £550 then nick? its a walnut thumbhole and in stunning condition. and if you put it side by side with that ugly duckling they were gonna sell my park looks stunning in comparison! fact is they looked far to quirky for most tastes. and the price new was far to high for a springer base fitted with a ram or not. johns guns command high prices as they are in limited numbers and have a big following. i prefer my park to a whiscombe as its a tenth the price and 4-5k for an air rifle is just rediculous!

[arnie2b]

Tony explaining what's going on.

[RichardH]

then why is my park only worth £550 then nick? its a walnut thumbhole and in stunning condition. and if you put it side by side with that ugly duckling they were gonna sell my park looks stunning in comparison! fact is they looked far to quirky for most tastes. and the price new was far to high for a springer base fitted with a ram or not. johns guns command high prices as they are in limited numbers and have a big following. i prefer my park to a whiscombe as its a tenth the price and 4-5k for an air rifle is just rediculous!

Holts have a park for auction at £1400ish tomorrow

Let’s see how that goes.

[Hsing-ee]

Holts have a park for auction at £1400ish tomorrow

Let’s see how that goes.

PMSL

[Shed tuner]

Holts have a park for auction at £1400ish tomorrow

Let’s see how that goes.

Amazingly it didn't sell

It's still available for the same money in the unsold lots auction. I guess they think it's worth more; "This example was Roy Hutchinson's second prototype of the Park Rifle"

[RichardH]

Is that the one that didn't sell last time, but the 2 Whiscombes in the same auction sold for 3k+ including?

Not sure, looked ambitious to me but you never know

[Hsing-ee]

my park looks stunning in comparison! fact is they looked far to quirky for most tastes

They wern't 'too quirky' for most tastes.

Fact is they are very heavy for a 12 fpe rifle, the trigger is sub-Rekord standard and they are inefficient which results in a heavy cocking effort. In addition they are not easy to work on.

The heaviness and hard cocking might be overlooked if they were spectacularly accurate, but the fact of the matter is that a TX200 will exceed the Park in this area, and you can do alot more practice with the TX before you get tired.

The Park came out as direct spring competition to the PCPs and unsurprisingly lost.

[WILBA]

They wern't 'too quirky' for most tastes.

Fact is they are very heavy for a 12 fpe rifle, the trigger is sub-Rekord standard and they are inefficient which results in a heavy cocking effort. In addition they are not easy to work on.

The heaviness and hard cocking might be overlooked if they were spectacularly accurate, but the fact of the matter is that a TX200 will exceed the Park in this area, and you can do alot more practice with the TX before you get tired.

The Park came out as direct spring competition to the PCPs and unsurprisingly lost.

the quirky comment was regarding the stirling guns not the park.