C.C.L. September '14

[zooma]

Why should MPL and CCL be any different?; it allows for illness, holidays, work commitments and shift patterns and unforeseen problems to enable as many shooters as possible to compete, which is what we are trying to achieve is it not?

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Mike.

We had far more interest in both competitions when it was ear-marked to be shot on a certain day or inside a certain week as it was something of an event that we all looked forward to - a proper occasion ( we don't get out much over here) - but now the urgency has been lost and it can be shot wherever and whenever anyone should happen to feel like it the interest has sagged.

Shooting at anytime up until a closure date is good for postal competitions but not so good for live club competitions IMO and from what I can see happening in the club.

We have ALWAYS accommodated anyone that was unable to shoot on time for any reason previously (holidays, sickness, bad memory, forgot air pistol, pistol being repaired, forgot stool to stand on, or having to work late etc) so we have always been able to include anyone that wanted to take part - this has never been a problem so shooting at anytime in the month has no advantage over shooting in a specific week as far as this is debate is concerned.

We will give the RMTC members the option to take part when they feel like it or in a certain week (as we have done since both competitions first started) and see what they want to do.

We are very flexible and only want to encourage new-comers (in particular) to take part in these club competitions, but I also believe the old saying "if it ain't broke - don't fix it" still has a lot of wisdom behind it - and tinkering with something that has run for several seasons without problems does not seem to be the most urgent thing to spend too much time discussing.

If you prefer to shoot this competition at the Rivy Club in a more relaxed atmosphere with no time pressure then that is OK with me (and your scores should be a little better for it too).

Rivvy has more experienced pistol shooters than we have in our small club and they would probably not get as many "match nerves" as our relative newcomers or your newcomers would have on a designated "match night" so it should make no difference to them either way - but the less experienced club members from both clubs will notice a significant difference.

[I. J.]

We had far more interest in both competitions when it was ear-marked to be shot on a certain day or inside a certain week as it was something of an event that we all looked forward to - a proper occasion ( we don't get out much over here) - but now the urgency has been lost and it can be shot wherever and whenever anyone should happen to feel like it the interest has sagged.

Youve got your new sewer opening! Mike (Swales) is the only one showing interest at the mo (and me & him are nip and tuck).

Shooting at anytime up until a closure date is good for postal competitions but not so good for live club competitions IMO and from what I can see happening in the club.

Live? At RMTC? Tramps vest springs to my mind. So post me your results!

We have ALWAYS accommodated anyone that was unable to shoot on time for any reason .....

Then accomodate them and let them shoot ANY TIME in the month. Pretend they are going away (Strangeways?)

We will give the RMTC members the option to take part when they feel like it or in a certain week (as we have done since both competitions first started) and see what they want to do.

Hallelujah! Were getting there.

We are very flexible and only want to encourage new-comers (in particular) to take part in these club competitions, but I also believe the old saying "if it ain't broke - don't fix it" still has a lot of wisdom behind it

But it IS broke. Entries were dwindling with no entries for June, July or August.

If you prefer to shoot this competition at the Rivy Club in a more relaxed atmosphere with no time pressure then that is OK with me (and your scores should be a little better for it too).

Have you tried getting on our 10m range with all the other pistol compts, 10m rifle compts, bell target, plinkers, plonkers ..... 'Relaxed' is not a word I would use. Reluctant is more appropriate.

Rivvy has more experienced pistol shooters than we have in our small club and they would probably not get as many "match nerves" as our relative newcomers or your newcomers would have on a designated "match night" so it should make no difference to them either way - but the less experienced club members from both clubs will notice a significant difference.

Match nerves are still there. Believe me.

So, is it anytime during THAT month? If you want to restrict your members to 'Match Nights' on certain weeks - thats fine by me, as long as I have your results by midnight on the last day. Ive got to be strict on that otherwise the months merge and I get (easily) confused.

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Ian

[zooma]

But it IS broke. Entries were dwindling with no entries for June, July or Au

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Ian

We all agree - the CCL has never been as popular as we would like it to be and hope it gets better support in the future.

We only have one member that wanted to shoot in this competition this month and he has already submitted his scores.........but there is time yet

[mikec4]

...... so we have always been able to include anyone that wanted to take part - this has never been a problem so shooting at anytime in the month has no advantage over shooting in a specific week as far as this is debate is concerned.

Inclusion is not the issue - motivation seems to be lacking........

Rivvy has more experienced pistol shooters than we have in our small club and they would probably not get as many "match nerves" as our relative newcomers or your newcomers would have on a designated "match night" so it should make no difference to them either way - but the less experienced club members from both clubs will notice a significant difference.

Name them please... our top pistol shooters have around 2 years RECENT AIR PISTOL experience each; Paul (Hippo) Wray has only started back in air pistol after a 15/20 year break; Steve (in the afternoon ) Wright last shot free pistol in the early 1980's; John (hospital) Ward only took up "Olympic" style one handed pistol last year; Carl Stott bought a Steyr LP2 18 months ago; Shaun (ding dong) Bell started serious pistol shooting Oct 2013 with our coaching course; etc, etc, It's either natural talent, quality coaching or just luck, but all these guys have improved over Dorset, SPA, MPL, CCL and club handicap events this year......

And Ian's right, match nerves do come into the equation; however we have a team ethic with encouragement, advice and coaching freely given, and it seems to be paying dividends.

Just let all your members shoot what they want, when they want and send Ian the scores by the last day of the month......

Simples

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Mike

[I. J.]

Just let all your members shoot what they want, when they want and send Ian the scores by the last day of the month......

Simples

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Mike

Mikes right (again ) and we have Ron.

[mikec4]

and we have Ron.

There's a downside to everything o diminutive one
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Mike.

[zooma]

And Ian's right, match nerves do come into the equation; however we have a team ethic with encouragement, advice and coaching freely given, and it seems to be paying dividends

Just let all your members shoot what they want, when they want and send Ian the scores by the last day of the month......

Simples

ATB
Mike

Our club members do shoot what and when they choose already and this will remain the case, but so far they have chosen not to shoot in the CCL (at this time) but we hope the CCL will become more popular in the future.

The CCL it has never achieved the same level of interest as the MPL and so it has been run as an individual competition. This is still the best idea and the door is open for others to join in if they choose to do so in the future.

Only three entries from Rivvy and one from RMTC this month...so far.